On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
While I can't imagine how I managed it now, I don't remember
struggling with browsing Wikipedia on a 56K modem. In fact, I think I
browsed it on a 36.6K modem... If it is what you are used to, it
really doesn't seem
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
While I can't imagine how I managed it now, I don't remember
struggling with browsing Wikipedia on a 56K modem. In fact, I think I
browsed it on a 36.6K modem... If it is what you are used to, it
really doesn't seem
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:59 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/2 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com:
OLPC is focused on kids. That's important. Perhaps a sister program
to provide one OLPC or like device per village, with a more adult
development / educational /
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:59 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/2 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com:
OLPC is focused on kids. That's important. Perhaps a sister program
to provide one OLPC or like device
On 2009-06-01 00:18, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/5/31 Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net:
Assuming that I were somewhere in rural Africa, and perfectly
functioning hardware with Wikipedia software loaded in dropped
2009/6/1 mike.wikipe...@gmail.com mike.wikipe...@gmail.com:
You also found any statistics on what prices for internet access through
mobile networks are? What proportion of the world's people can afford a
internet connection in the first place, and how many can afford a
connection which is
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote:
And why partner with Google? There are Free alternatives in development:
http://www.apertium.org/
http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Main_Page
I tried this with a first paragraph from en.wikipedia, translating
to Spanish and back.
Berber isn't a unitary or standardised language.
As far as I'm aware, we have a WP in one of the Berber languages only
right now, Kabyle: http://kab.wikipedia.org/
Mark
skype: node.ue
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:50 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/5/31 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu:
geni wrote:
2009/5/31 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu:
Given currently existing technology, and technology that we can reasonably
assume to be available within the next decade, how can the WMF best achieve
its goal of giving every person free access to our current best summary of
all human
mike.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2009-06-01 00:18, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Thomas
Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/5/31 Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net:
Assuming that I were somewhere in rural Africa, and perfectly
functioning hardware with Wikipedia
2009/6/1 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net:
Last I asked, broadband Internet access in India was about INR 1500 (32
US$), which is at least a week day salary for an Indian worker.
True, in theory, there are Internet cafes, but last I tried (in 2007)
they can be really used for looking at
This is a good thought-experiment to rerun regularly : working through
what 'all human knowledge to each person in his/her own language'
means (practical approximations of all, each, and own, c).
I think at a minimum, without trying to directly solve high-upkeep
projects such as hardware
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/6/1 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net:
Last I asked, broadband Internet access in India was about INR 1500 (32
US$), which is at least a week day salary for an Indian worker.
True, in theory, there are Internet cafes, but last I tried (in 2007)
they can be really used
2009/6/2 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/6/1 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net:
Last I asked, broadband Internet access in India was about INR 1500 (32
US$), which is at least a week day salary for an Indian worker.
True, in theory, there are Internet cafes, but last I
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Given currently existing technology, and technology that we can reasonably
assume to be available within the next decade, how can the WMF best achieve
its goal of giving every person free access to our current best summary
I would guess a partership with Google would be a good idea because:
1) They are the best (according to Brian) and
2) If we were to go through with this proposal we'd want the translation
technology now, not in X years when the technology catches up with
google, if at all.
And with many
Hoi,
Currently the translation engine by Goole works for some twenty languages.
We have Wikipedias in over 250 languages and we localise in over 300. If we
are to collaborate with Google on this, we should partner in the building of
translation engines for our other languages. We could and we
Proprietary algorithms aren't what make their system better - it's that they
have a larger corpus. Google has published a trillion token dataset for
machine translation researchers but it's presumably just a subset of what
they now have. The data that makes their system so good is already
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
snip
The technical specifications of such a device allow for it to be extremely
cheap.
snip
I think you are underestimating the size of Wikipedia. Even
compressed a snapshot of the English articles with both text and low
Hoi,
The notion that this black box needs to use text that is licensed under the
CC-by-sa is a folly. The data that is gathered by data mining strips the
meaning of the text. Consequently it can be considered to be a completely
and utterly separate work. Using text as the basis of a corpus is
2009/5/31 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu:
Given currently existing technology, and technology that we can reasonably
assume to be available within the next decade, how can the WMF best achieve
its goal of giving every person free access to our current best summary of
all human knowledge?
2009/5/31 Foxy Loxy foxyloxy.wikime...@gmail.com:
Assembling a chain of production that long, particularly for a
non-profit foundation that doesn't have the best reputation (I'm not
saying it's justified, but many people in high places will go 'ew,
wikipedia').
[citation needed]
People in
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:50 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Dead tree technology. Wikipedia based encyclopedias in the most widely
used languages.
Select the 40K most important articles (that will be fun).
Do you really think the 40K most important Wikipedia articles are more
useful than
Hoi,
May I remind you that the majority of our Wikipedia do not have 40K articles
..
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:50 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Dead tree technology. Wikipedia based encyclopedias in the most widely
used
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
I propose a cheap cellphone-sized device (OWPP) whose only purpose is to
read Wikipedia.
That's probably both the wrong form (too small) and the wrong content (too
flighty) for
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu
wrote:
I propose a cheap cellphone-sized device (OWPP) whose only purpose is to
read Wikipedia.
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Wikipedia over TV would never work. There isn't the bandwidth for it.
So only broadcast a subset.
A very small subset.
TV is a broadcast medium, that means you have to be constantly sending
everything anyone could want (or, at least, sending it fairly
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
By broadcast medium I mean a one-way transmission of information.
I don't know about yours, but my TV uses two-way transmission. So a
statement that TV is a broadcast medium is just not correct. True, it's
probably correct in the vast majority of
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Who has cable TV that can't get internet access?
I didn't say *cable* TV.
What kind of
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
There is no such thing as one-way internet access. The internet is
always 2-way.
Perhaps so (depends on your definitions), but then, Wave probably isn't
dependent on internet access in the first place. I see no
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
There is no such thing as one-way internet access. The internet is
always 2-way.
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
There is no such thing as one-way internet access. The
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
HTTP uses TCP/IP, not UDP/IP. Your comment was If it doesn't work over IP
then it isn't the internet. If you'd like to change that to If it doesn't
work over TCP then it isn't the internet, fine. But it probably wouldn't
be difficult to run the Wave
2009/5/31 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/5/31 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
For a practical example, the Schools Wikipedia is proving enormously
popular with teachers in countries of all economic levels. Requires
something that can read a DVD, or have said DVD dumped onto its hard
disk
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:20 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
HTTP uses TCP/IP, not UDP/IP. Your comment was If it doesn't work over
IP
then it isn't the internet. If you'd like to change that to If it
doesn't
work over TCP then it isn't the
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I'm not sure we should waste everyone on this mailing list's time going
through the details and formulating a plan. Let's take Tagalog. We've
got
22 million native speakers, of which
geni wrote:
Now a lot of those languages are Indian which since they tend to be
fairly closely related and bilingualism is fairly common Bengali,
Hindi, Punjabi and English should cover most cases.
That's very generously European of you. The three Indian languages that
you chose are all
Anthony wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:50 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Dead tree technology. Wikipedia based encyclopedias in the most widely
used languages.
Select the 40K most important articles (that will be fun).
Do you really think the 40K most important Wikipedia
2009/6/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I just found another statistic. Mobile networks cover roughly 80-90% of
the
worlds population.
For them, using that mobile network is
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
I guess I'm so used to broadband I forgot about the
existence of dial up for a second! You would need to hand out phones,
laptops, and network subscriptions, though - that's getting rather
expensive just to give
2009/6/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
I guess I'm so used to broadband I forgot about the
existence of dial up for a second! You would need to hand out phones,
laptops, and network subscriptions, though - that's
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/6/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
I guess I'm so used to broadband I forgot about the
existence of dial up for a second! You
Given currently existing technology, and technology that we can reasonably
assume to be available within the next decade, how can the WMF best achieve
its goal of giving every person free access to our current best summary of
all human knowledge?
Consider that Google Translate has the best
It does sound like an excellent idea, but it does appear to require us
teaming up with Google, a hardware vendor, a software vendor (the OS of
course), a distributor and various governments that may or may not wish
they people having access to 'forbidden' information.
Assembling a chain of
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