[Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread David Gerard
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/world/asia/10iht-malay.html The Malaysian government has declared that science instruction will be conducted in Bahasa rather than English. Parents, teachers and professors are very unhappy because English is the language of science. This sort of thing affects

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
Would you please be more clear in This sort of thing affects the quality of our projects in languages other than English. ? I mean what kind of affects (positive/negative) do you mean and what is the cause mechanism between such governmental rulings and quality of projects in local (national)

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/10 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: Would you please be more clear in This sort of thing affects the quality of our projects in languages other than English. ? I mean what kind of affects (positive/negative) do you mean and what is the cause mechanism between such governmental

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:38 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/world/asia/10iht-malay.html The Malaysian government has declared that science instruction will be conducted in Bahasa rather than English. Parents, teachers and professors are very

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/10 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: So, even a discipline with a lot of polyglots can't work without lingua franca. I remember reading in Isaac Asimov's autobiography how, as a chemist in the 1940s, he had to learn French and German well enough to read papers in those languages. So the

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/10 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: So, even a discipline with a lot of polyglots can't work without lingua franca. I remember reading in Isaac Asimov's autobiography how, as a chemist in the 1940s, he had to learn

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
English is the last lingua franca So it's better to say Lingua Anglica http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,869957,00.html ;) ... In 20-30 years we'll have good enough translators Do you mean computer tools like Google Translate or human interpreters? On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: English is the last lingua franca So it's better to say Lingua Anglica http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,869957,00.html ;) ... In 20-30 years we'll have good enough translators Do you mean computer

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
...he had to learn French and German well enough to read I'd like to stress that he needed French *and* German meaning that in any field of activity dominating lingua franca (or lingua anglica ) is not the only foreign language that one will need to know in order to really profess that field.

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I mean what kind of affects (positive/negative) do you mean and what is the cause mechanism between such governmental rulings and quality of projects in local (national) languages? I'm not sure, that's why I just posted the link. As to me the long-term effects should be positive as more

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 13:38, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/world/asia/10iht-malay.html The Malaysian government has declared that science instruction will be conducted in Bahasa rather than English. Parents, teachers and professors are very unhappy

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Amir E. Aharoniamir.ahar...@gmail.com wrote: I am not quite sure that *all* Malay parents, teachers and professors are very unhappy. The natural condition of any person around the world is to prefer their own language and to the best of my knowledge, there's

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Let us analyse this. The English Wikipedia is quite good at providing information about Science. The Malay Wikipedia is probably not as good. When the Malaysian government decides to have teaching to be conducted for many subjects in Malay, it will not detract anything from the English

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 18:31, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Let us analyse this. The English Wikipedia is quite good at providing information about Science. The Malay Wikipedia is probably not as good. I don't know how good are the science articles in the Malay WP, but

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread stevertigo
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I remember reading in Isaac Asimov's autobiography how, as a chemist in the 1940s, he had to learn French and German well enough to read papers in those

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Ray Saintonge
David Gerard wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/world/asia/10iht-malay.html The Malaysian government has declared that science instruction will be conducted in Bahasa rather than English. Parents, teachers and professors are very unhappy because English is the language of science.

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/10 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I remember reading in Isaac Asimov's autobiography how, as a chemist in the 1940s, he had to learn French and

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Mark Williamson
Well, the Australians obviously need better English as a second language classes. Mark On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/10 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Snow
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/7/10 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I remember reading in Isaac Asimov's autobiography how, as a chemist in the

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with native languages vs. the lingua franca

2009-07-10 Thread Ray Saintonge
Michael Snow wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/7/10 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: If someone knows someone, putting eight billion dollars a year into English-language teaching in Africa, China, Australia and elsewhere would be a good place to start. You're going to have