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From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 6:47:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Storyteller job opening
SNIP
If someone has the time to break this report
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 03:05, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
...
Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 6 March 2011 23:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
So... that's a no? There's no record of who wrote what? I think people in
the community are interested to know how much of the strategic plan came
from various stakeholders, both the ideas and the actual pieces of
Philippe Beaudette wrote:
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:06 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Sue Gardner wrote:
Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
I'm not denying that some
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 3:54 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Philippe Beaudette wrote:
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:06 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Sue Gardner wrote:
Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
just published a strategic plan
On 6 March 2011 23:54, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
So... that's a no? There's no record of who wrote what? I think people in
the community are interested to know how much of the strategic plan came
from various stakeholders, both the ideas and the actual pieces of the
report. If you
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
You appear to be generalising from your personal preferences to the
world here. This is a common fallacy and a really bad idea in general.
I have heard numerous complains from other volunteers who thought that
WMF is
In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:08:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
wikipe...@frontier.com writes:
If
people actually understood how collaboration on a wiki works, it would
be much easier for them to accept the projects for what they are, rather
than creating drama about things they aren't.
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From: Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com
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Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Storyteller job opening
On 3/1/2011 2:41 PM, Pronoein wrote:
Thank you for your answer Michael. However:
«Note
On 2 March 2011 01:26, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net
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on 3/1/11 7:08 PM, Michael Snow at wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
This explanation is quite insightful, I think. The challenge described
Michael,
Hi.
I'm curious how http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
MZMcBride
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Hi.
I'm curious how
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
MZMcBride
It's an effective marketing technique. Something to watch on YouTube that
doesn't trash us.
Fred
On 3/1/2011 11:44 AM, David Gerard wrote:
On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBridez...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I'm curious how http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
It's pretty much directly answered right there on the linked
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:44 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I'm curious how
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
It's pretty much
David Gerard wrote:
On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I'm curious how http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
It's pretty much directly answered right there on the linked page, for
anyone
David Gerard wrote:
On 1 March 2011 20:22, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
The part where adding this person leads to better content? Wikimedia's
mission is to educate the world with free content. I'm not sure how a
Propaganda Minister really furthers that goal. There is a very finite
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
The part where adding this person leads to better content? Wikimedia's
mission is to educate the world with free content. I'm not sure how a
Propaganda Minister really furthers that goal. There is a very finite amount
of
On 1 March 2011 20:44, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
It's not really about my personal preferences (I originally asked how this
job opening fits within Wikimedia's strategic plan or mission). You've
chosen to side-step the actual questions being asked here (twice now). Based
on my past
Le 01/03/2011 17:26, David Gerard a écrit :
On 1 March 2011 20:22, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
The part where adding this person leads to better content? Wikimedia's
mission is to educate the world with free content. I'm not sure how a
Propaganda Minister really furthers that goal.
Zack Exley, 01/03/2011 21:08:
And not just for the fundraiser. For the purposes of the fundraiser, we need
this person to amass a mountain of creative material that we can remix, in
collaboration with the original voices behind the material, and test during
the fundraiser.
Is this person
Zack Exley wrote:
But there is one important purpose of that job that may be a bit hidden in
between the lines: For this position, I'm looking for someone who can help
free us from dependence on The Jimmy Letter in fundraising.
I think part of my confusion (maybe the biggest chunk of it) comes
On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
Based on the one survey of former contributors that has been conducted
(see
Is there something wrong with it
being named the Fundraising Department? I can't imagine I'm the only
one
confused about this.
MZMcBride
There is plenty wrong with messing with us. This is hardly the first
time. I doubt advancing the project is on your agenda.
Fred
On 1 March 2011 20:44, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
It's not really about my personal preferences (I originally asked how this
job opening fits within Wikimedia's strategic plan or mission). You've
chosen to side-step the actual questions being asked here (twice now). Based
on my past
Did autocomplete change your sentence Fred? I don't follow and it doesn't seem
to relate to MZMcBride's new question about naming.
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Dan Rosenthal
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On Mar 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Is there something
Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
Based on the one survey of former contributors that has been conducted
(see
From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com
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Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 3:24:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Storyteller job opening
Zack Exley wrote:
But there is one important purpose
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:52 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I'm curious how
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jason donovan jdoe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:52 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I'm curious how
On 1 March 2011 23:41, The Mono m...@mono.x10.bz wrote:
We think so little about our community that we have to hire someone to
figure out how to explain it.
I expect your volunteer efforts were factored into the decision.
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I'm not with the WMF, to clarify.
Your point stands, however, as the WMF team rarely contributes to content on
the wikis they know so much about.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 March 2011 23:41, The Mono m...@mono.x10.bz wrote:
We think so little
On 3/1/2011 2:41 PM, Pronoein wrote:
Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
Based on the one survey of former contributors that has
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 16:41, Pronoein prono...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
Based on the one survey
From: Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 4:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Storyteller job opening
From
On 3/1/2011 2:46 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
Ambiguity is only a bad thing when someone knows exactly what they want and
they
choose to be unclear about it rather than when is someone aware of a general
need while being somewhat open-minded about how might be filled. This
situation
strikes me
On 2 March 2011 00:00, Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
Also you have to remember that the purpose of
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller is not to explain
the job to curious community members.
Maybe but it's the only information we have (openess not being the
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 18:06, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 1 March 2011 15:54, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 16:41, Pronoein prono...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
If
On 1 March 2011 15:54, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 16:41, Pronoein prono...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
reasons
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.netwrote:
On 3/1/2011 2:46 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
Ambiguity is only a bad thing when someone knows exactly what they want
and
they
choose to be unclear about it rather than when is someone aware of a
general
need
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Stories are absolutely essential to any non-profit's ability to
persuade new people to support or join its cause. Sometimes we tell
our stories well, sometimes we tell them poorly. Telling a story well
is a very specific
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote:
On 3/1/2011 2:46 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
Ambiguity is only a bad thing when someone knows exactly what they want and
they
choose to be unclear about it rather than when is someone aware of a general
need while
On 2 March 2011 00:53, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Stories are absolutely essential to any non-profit's ability to
persuade new people to support or join its cause. Sometimes we tell
our stories well, sometimes we tell them poorly. Telling a story well
is a very specific skillset
On 3/1/2011 4:31 PM, SlimVirgin wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 18:06, Sue Gardnersgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 1 March 2011 15:54, SlimVirginslimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael, I wouldn't underestimate the I'm being exploited feeling for
people either leaving, or failing to join up. In
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:39 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Andrew Gray wrote:
Here's one line of reasoning:
a) Our fundraising was effective (it brought in money) but also pretty
tedious for readers - it relied heavily on variants of one banner,
with the side-effect that millions
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:39 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Andrew Gray wrote:
(The actual job description did make my eyes roll a bit, though.
Storyteller, oh dear.)
Thank you very much for this post, Andrew. This post clarified the job role
in a very nice, clear way and I really
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