[Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: How does Google Wave help the WMF achieve its goals? Not sure, it doesn't really exist yet. I'm sure there will be numerous ways in which it can do it, though. Wikipedia has already become a dominant information source

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: If Waves works anything like email, then it will be possible to use it when not directly connected to the Internet.  How's that for helping get Wikipedia to people without Internet access? Not very. Waves, like email, should work for people with

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Wave in its reference implementation relies on HTML 5. This means that it requires a modern browser. With a browser it is possible to access data that is on a LAN or on the local computer. This would allow us to have Wikipedia type content stored locally or on a LAN. One question is how will

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: If Waves works anything like email, then it will be possible to use it when not directly connected to the Internet. How's that for helping get Wikipedia to people without

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread David Gerard
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: Now my understanding is that the protocol for interserver communication isn't completed, and who knows it may be vaporware.  But it's an intriguing possibility.  (As I said in a previous message, finally the platform I need for P2Pedia is here.) Wave

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: Now my understanding is that the protocol for interserver communication isn't completed, and who knows it may be vaporware. But it's an intriguing possibility. (As I said in a

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Much of the Wave functionality demonstrated is superior to what is available in MediaWiki. Consider a LAN with OPLC systems, consider a Wave server on the school server.. It would be pretty damn good to be able to have all kinds of activities that makes use of the functionality that is part

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/31 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Much of the Wave  functionality demonstrated is superior to what is available in MediaWiki. Consider a LAN with OPLC systems, consider a Wave server on the school server.. It would be pretty damn good to be able to have all kinds of

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Mark Williamson
That's a pretty important question.  If not being an internet user just means that you have internet at the library and not in your home, the method to reach such people is much different.  Considering that the United States is listed at 74.7%, I'm sure internet user is defined too strictly

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Wave might replace parts of MediaWiki but it would not replace Wikipedia... To appreciate this, you have to realise what it is the WMF stands for.. It is content first and foremost. MediaWiki is our current software. It is great software and it has great functionality. When the Wave software

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Wave might replace parts of MediaWiki but it would not replace Wikipedia... To appreciate this, you have to realise what it is the WMF stands for.. It stands for the Wikimedia Foundation. It is content first

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: If you watched the Wave presentation you'll see that there is quite a bit of edit conflict handling already built in (they showed three people editing the same page simultaneously). I did watch it. That was live, they could see each other editing and avoid

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: If you watched the Wave presentation you'll see that there is quite a bit of edit conflict handling already built in (they showed three people editing the same page

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: Edit conflicts with live editing aren't an issue, manual resolution is trivial. Edit conflicts with significant delays are a much bigger problem and require automated merging, which isn't always possible, and is

Re: [Foundation-l] getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it

2009-05-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/31 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: Edit conflicts with live editing aren't an issue, manual resolution is trivial. Edit conflicts with significant delays are a much bigger problem and require automated merging,