[Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread geni
We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose the occasion should be marked. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:59 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose the occasion should be marked. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/12/31 geni geni...@gmail.com: We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose the occasion should be marked. They are not blinking in a manner that is even remotely obnoxious. And they are also used for displaying bilingual messages, which is very useful for areas in

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread geni
On 31 December 2011 09:00, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: Login or wait a day? My understanding is that on any given day we have rather a lot of users. I'm not sure it is entirely reasonable to expect them all to log in and that would in any case rather negate the point. -- geni

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread geni
On 31 December 2011 09:06, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: They are not blinking in a manner that is even remotely obnoxious. There is a reason that people tend to talk about static plain-text options when they talk about acceptable web ads. Something blinking away at the

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
geni, 31/12/2011 10:22: And they are also used for displaying bilingual messages, which is very useful for areas in which you can't be sure whether people prefer English or the local language, like India. Except both versions I was getting were in English. I guess you mean the set of

[Foundation-l] WIKEXPERIENCE UNIVERSITY, please Help

2011-12-31 Thread Marie-Antoine Rieu
Hello, I am a french woman who want your help about my final draft for a project - Wikexperience University -to be deposed in January 2012. . Its goals : - exploring and objectivizing the knowledge drawn from experience, by the means of a frame to be created in a collaborative and multicultural

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Fae
Full agreement with geni here. Blinking banners are against the spirit of the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If this is not clear in the banner guidelines then this needs to be made explicit. I would have thought it was common sense that such things were inappropriate, I am taken aback that we have

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2011 12:01, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Full agreement with geni here. Blinking banners are against the spirit of the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If this is not clear in the banner guidelines then this needs to be made explicit. Indeed. Inspiring people to install AdBlock may

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/12/31 geni geni...@gmail.com: We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose the occasion should be marked. They are not blinking in a manner that is even remotely obnoxious. And

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 93, Issue 61

2011-12-31 Thread Craig Franklin
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Incubator yearly report for 2011

2011-12-31 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:16:57 +0100, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Incubator we have in this year for the first time compiled an end-of-the-year review in order to inform people about what is going on on Incubator / new wikis. Great, thanks for the interesting report and to

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Zack Exley
Hi everyone - It's a trade off between doing things that might annoy some people in the banners vs. reducing the number of days we need to run banners at all. It's hard to find the right balance. We're always trying to find the least annoying banners that make the most money so that we can run

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Theo10011
Hi Zack I have a questions. I donated in the past, so I saw some donation request emails also came in. Are there likely to be more emails between now and the end? I understand the point about efficiency and maximizing the revenue, but a heads-up before the team tries something new might also be

Re: [Foundation-l] WIKEXPERIENCE, project of University for experience knowledge, call for contributions

2011-12-31 Thread Marie-Antoine Rieu
Hello, I have make souscription at the list, but I don't receive my own message. Is it wrong ? think you for help and good Year 2010 at all Le 28 décembre 2011 21:54, Erkan Yilmaz erka...@gmail.com a écrit : the above link does not succeed :-( correct is:

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 December 2011 14:42, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone - It's a trade off between doing things that might annoy some people in the banners vs. reducing the number of days we need to run banners at all. It's hard to find the right balance. This banner isn't just

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2011 14:58, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure I raised both these concerns last year when you ran similar banners and they were never addressed other than to say that such banners raise a lot of money (which is the point - they are misleading people

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thomas Dalton, 31/12/2011 15:58: On 31 December 2011 14:42, Zack Exleyzex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone - It's a trade off between doing things that might annoy some people in the banners vs. reducing the number of days we need to run banners at all. It's hard to find the right

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 December 2011 15:36, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton, 31/12/2011 15:58: On 31 December 2011 14:42, Zack Exleyzex...@wikimedia.org  wrote: Hi everyone - It's a trade off between doing things that might annoy some people in the banners vs. reducing the number

Re: [Foundation-l] Smurfs Movie is infringing on wikipedia copyright

2011-12-31 Thread MZMcBride
Jay Walsh wrote: Some notes on this whole process: in the coming year the legal/trademark team hopes to make the application system much simpler, and also we expect to start publishing a public list of those orgs who have permission to reuse the marks in a public setting. Thereby minimizing

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread geni
On 31 December 2011 14:42, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone - It's a trade off between doing things that might annoy some people in the banners vs. reducing the number of days we need to run banners at all. It's hard to find the right balance. Not at all. You can always

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: On 31 December 2011 12:01, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Full agreement with geni here. Blinking banners are against the spirit of the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If this is not clear in the banner guidelines then this needs to be made explicit. Indeed. Inspiring people to

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Mono mium
Seriously, get over it. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 31 December 2011 15:36, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton, 31/12/2011 15:58: On 31 December 2011 14:42, Zack Exleyzex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone -

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 December 2011 17:31, Mono mium monom...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, get over it. That's your attitude to the WMF misleading donors? Being honest when raising funds in incredibly important. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Zack Exley
Theo - We sent the same number of waves of email this year as last year. But we asked a little less. We asked past donors twice. (Taking out anyone who donated.) And we emailed this year's donors and ask them to share our email with a friend. That is exactly 9945% fewer emails than any other

[Foundation-l] WMF compensation practices

2011-12-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Erik Moeller, 30/11/2011 07:03: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Nathan wrote: [...] * The budget includes a whopping $14 million on staffing costs (at the planned 117 number of staff, that is nearly $120k per staff member) The 2010-11 staffing budget is $13.3M. [5] Staffing costs

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 December 2011 19:28, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Geni - You're being mean.  On New Years Eve!  Happy New Years! Neither Geni's meanness or the date are relevant to the point he was making. It certainly seems to be the case that the WMF doesn't consider reducing expenditure,

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Gregory Varnum
I almost hesitated sending this knowing it's just feeding fuel to a pointless flame. However, having been on the receiving end of debates like this - I'm empathetic to the blight of only hearing from a vocal minority. Plus I think WMF did a reasonably good job with this fundraiser and feel

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 December 2011 19:28, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Geni - You're being mean.  On New Years Eve!  Happy New Years! Neither Geni's meanness or the date are relevant to the point he was making. It

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Incubator yearly report for 2011

2011-12-31 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 2:16 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Incubator we have in this year for the first time compiled an end-of-the-year review in order to inform people about what is going on on Incubator / new wikis. The version on-wiki can be found on

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:59 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose the occasion should be marked. You're a year late to mark it. The year-end fader banner was first used in 2010, e.g.:

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation's 2010-11 Annual Report

2011-12-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thank you for the answers. Jay Walsh, 17/12/2011 19:29: The languages chosen were a balance between our geographic priorities (Brazil, Middle East, India) and our widest base of donors and contributors from other countries. It's imperfect, as always - we want to do more in the future, but we

[Foundation-l] Celebrating the 2011 campaign

2011-12-31 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, I just want to send a note to celebrate the enormous success of the 2011 fundraiser. It used to be the case that I was pretty involved in the annual campaign. For the last two fundraiser, Zack Exley's been running the show, and I'm enormously impressed by and proud of what he and his

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 January 2012 00:24, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: And when it was pointed out that a reference to Sue Gardner as Wikipedia Executive Director was inaccurate, Zack's initial response was We're going to test Wikimedia against Wikipedia in the banner right now.  (In other words,

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Risker
On 31 December 2011 19:36, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: snip It got worse. They changed it to Wikimedia Executive Director and when it was pointed out that it should be Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Philippe (who was running the fundraiser last year) said (on 13

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 January 2012 02:23, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Enough, Thomas.  After a reasonable explanation of the actions taken today, you are now dredging up complaints about *last year's* fundraiser.  The actions you're complaining about above were not repeated this year.  This is called

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Risker
On 31 December 2011 21:40, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 January 2012 02:38, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps, Thomas, you might want to reflect that your point of view is not the only one worthy of consideration. If you have concerns about the spending

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 January 2012 02:42, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I have, Thomas - which is exactly why I commented as I did.  It is you who have raised the issue of spending in this thread, which was initially about how annoyed some people were by a certain fundraising banner.  It seems to me that

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Risker
On 31 December 2011 21:46, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 January 2012 02:42, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I have, Thomas - which is exactly why I commented as I did. It is you who have raised the issue of spending in this thread, which was initially about how

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Mark
On 12/31/11 3:21 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: And, not rhetorically at all, the question of how much to raise is one of the important questions to face us strategically. We are incredibly lucky that we have the ability, through our tremendous readership, to raise a substantial amount of money. We

[Foundation-l] The Foundation's mission and fundraising pleas (was Blinky things)

2011-12-31 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: Of course, I'm not the best advocate in such situations, because I'm a bit wary of the direction things are going myself, so tend to give a sort of sheepish shrug in reply, and an explanation that a substantial portion of the