Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Noein
On 21/01/2011 03:36, whothis wrote: Thanks for introducing yourself Achal after so many years on the Advisory Board. Dare I suggest, you add part of that introduction to your Advisory Board page on one of the wikis. About the 5 year plan, dare I suggest you get around to reading that one of

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 21 January 2011 06:36, whothis whoth...@gmail.com wrote: You can't be on an advisory board and tell a non-profit organization what to do as a pro-bono advisor to the board and then get paid by the said foundation as a fellow a few years into your tenure, serving both positions at the same

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Zack Exley
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 21 January 2011 06:36, whothis whoth...@gmail.com wrote: You can't be on an advisory board and tell a non-profit organization what to do as a pro-bono advisor to the board and then get paid by the said

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 21 January 2011 07:26 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Achal Prabhala wrote: Greetings, I'm happy to tell you a little more about myself and the scope of this short-term research project I'm undertaking, and I'm as

[Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread F.-F. Duron
Bonjour, J'espère m'adresser au bon endroit. Aujourd'hui, ma nièce m'a appelé à l'ordinateur en me disant que Wikipédia faisait de la publicité pour un site pour adultes. Je lui ai dit que Wikipédia n'affichait pas de publicité. Elle a insisté et voilà ce que j'ai découvert :

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
This is a translation only per request from original poster: Hello, I hoping I'm contacting the right people: Today my niece called me to the computer saying that Wikipedia was advertising an adult site. I told her that Wikipedia doesn't show ads. She insisted and this is what I found:

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread John
Ce n'est pas Wikipedia, qui semble être Wikiwix. Il semble que vous voyez wikipedia par le biais d'un système de cache dont ils disposent, et dans le processus d'utilisation de la mémoire cache, il affiche des annonces (semblable à ce que google ne) That is not Wikipedia, that appears to be

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Marco Chiesa
On 1/21/11, F.-F. Duron ff.du...@gmail.com wrote: Bonjour, J'espère m'adresser au bon endroit. Aujourd'hui, ma nièce m'a appelé à l'ordinateur en me disant que Wikipédia faisait de la publicité pour un site pour adultes. Je lui ai dit que Wikipédia n'affichait pas de publicité. Elle a

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread MZMcBride
Achal Prabhala wrote: In all these capacities and more. 33 That's the spirit. And I've always felt that a waste is a terrible thing to mind. 81 [links shortened] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=2284834#India_planning

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Achal Prabhala wrote: In all these capacities and more. 33 That's the spirit. And I've always felt that a waste is a terrible thing to mind. 81 [links shortened]

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Florence Devouard
Bonjour François En fait, wikiwix n'est pas un site miroir de Wikipedia (une copie). C'est un peu plus compliqué. Le lien sur lequel vous avez cliqué fait partie des liens de références (c'est à dire des liens menant vers des sites web externes, qui sont utilisés comme sources de l'article).

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 January 2011 17:36, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Your commitment to openness and transparency is ready to be transferred to a Twitter account. You'll have to work with Erik to make all of his openness and transparency fit. (In all seriousness, thank you, Erik, for the reports.)

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread whothis
I was going to drop this and fade away until your patronizing comments. First, I am not a gentleman, I would be a lady, according to the pseudo-chivalrous, patronizing tone you used in your last response. //That's the spirit. And I've always felt that a waste is a terrible thing to mind.

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Florence Devouard
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM, MZMcBridez...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. As Daniel noted in his earlier e-mail to the list, Achal Prabhala is now a Wikimedia Fellow.[1] I actually missed this announcement as it didn't hit wikimediaannounce-l or this list (foundation-l), it apparently

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread whothis
Nathan, I understand you don't know me, but can''t you see he is exactly the same as me, an anonymous and uncounted associate, who is as much a shareholder, auditor as I am. The only difference is I don't lead the Movement, I supposedly am lead by anonymous unknowns like him. E. On Fri, Jan 21,

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: You started in attack mode and continued in attack mode. This is not a good way to get anyone to bother talking to you. I made an effort to not start in attack mode, as it were. I asked questions and hoped that out of all the noise that would come in the replies, there might

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread MZMcBride
Nathan wrote: Honestly, I don't see how you could expect a better set of answers given your approach. You're not a prosecutor, and you have no right to interrogate him about whatever improprieties you and your supposedly like-minded (but anonymous and uncounted) associates perceive. You're

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Erik Moeller
2011/1/20 whothis whoth...@gmail.com: I hope others reading this realize the implication of your appointment. I had no idea who you were before this, and still don't I had no idea who you were before this. Then I checked my mail archives and saw that the only other thread you've been engaged in

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Wired on the Spanish mutiny

2011-01-21 Thread Nathan
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-01/20/wikipedia-spanish-fork?page=1 Interesting. This article could be titled Spanish Fork: In which Edgar Enyedy made Wikipedia what it is today. Who knew his unilateral decision to take things out of context and proportion was the crucial determining

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread F.-F. Duron
But why are you working with this small start-up that 1) is 100% commercial and 2) shows ads that are inapropriate for Wikipedia? Is that the philosophy of the free and neutral encyclopedia? Why don't you replace this with the Internet Archive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive) which

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread F.-F. Duron
No, it's not a mirror site. This french start-up is making all its business with Wikipedia. This company has a cache system and some kind of search engine that are both integrated by default in the french Wikipedia. I don't know if other Wikipedias use it. Try doing a search on the word sex in

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM, F.-F. Duron ff.du...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's not a mirror site. This french start-up is making all its business with Wikipedia. This company has a cache system and some kind of search engine that are both integrated by default in the french Wikipedia. I don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Nathan
Ah, I think I misunderstood. Wikiwix is integrated as a search engine in the French Special:Search function. If you use the Wikiwix search option, it redirects you to an external site

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Béria Lima
I did what he ask: http://fr.wikiwix.com/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARechercheredirs=1action=sexfulltext=Searchsearchengineselect=wikiwixns0=1 But note that now you are not anymore in french wikipedia, but in Wikiwix. And we can't control what they put on their site. _ *Béria Lima*

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread F.-F. Duron
Yes, but maybe you can control the partnerships you're making! Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites in the world. Don't you think there is a problem here?? 2011/1/21 Béria Lima y1030...@mail.aesbuc.pt I did what he ask:

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 21 January 2011 20:07, F.-F. Duron ff.du...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but maybe you can control the partnerships you're making! Wikipedia is one of the most visited websites in the world. Don't you think there is a problem here?? Do we have a partnership with them? The French Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Peter Jacobi
I see the ads. And I don't see the value added provided by Wikiwix, which puts them on equal footing with Google or Bing. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Béria Lima
There are no such thing as a partnership whit Wikiwix (or Google, Exalead, Bing and Yahoo). They are there only to improve the results of a search in case you don't find anything in Wikipedia. _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt/ (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread F.-F. Duron
The integration of this search engine into wikipedia (which seems to be a very lucrative deal for this company) is just one of the problems. The ads that I've mentioned are unacceptable (escort girl = prostitution). I will never see such kind of ads on Google. And there is a big difference between

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread MZMcBride
Birgitte SB wrote: This isn't the first time someone who perceived your tone negatively has written about it seeking a remedy. Perhaps the fault is not with David's nor Nathan's perception skills. Perhaps you might find more success if you change your approach in the following ways. 1)

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 January 2011 21:11, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: To try to answer your concern, somewhat, as I understand it, rather than just tut at your tone (which is of course an annoying thing to do): The Advisory Board is basically specialist volunteers who’ve signed up to be bothered about

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread whothis
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2011/1/20 whothis whoth...@gmail.com: I hope others reading this realize the implication of your appointment. I had no idea who you were before this, and still don't I had no idea who you were before this. Then I

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Barry Newstead
A few things to add to this thread: 1. Achal has been a very helpful advisor (among several) to me as I've launched WMF's work in India. In addition, he has been helpful in the formation of the chapter in India, the chapter formation process in South Africa and has shared some perspectives with

Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

2011-01-21 Thread Rodan Bury
Le 21 janvier 2011 23:06, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.frhashar%2b...@free.fr a écrit : Il y a des outils permettant de filtrer les contenus gênants (POV) pour les enfants / ados. Je ne connais que FreeAngel de Free :

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread geni
On 21 January 2011 05:59, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Knowledge in olden times of India are transferred orally from Gurus ( Teachers) to students/disciples . They are not necessarily recorded. We are talking about the ages even before manuscripts paper are invented.

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread CherianTinu Abraham
Come on friend, History of India and many other civilizations of world started thousands of years even before that. As somebody already said earlier, It is not something that everyone can easily comprehend.. Every knowledge is NOT on the internet and Google searchable :) Sorry, No pun intended.

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

2011-01-21 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:21 PM, whothis whoth...@gmail.com wrote: I assume you probably had some say in selecting the current Board Member from India since you announced his appointment Even though this is tangential to the main discussion, let me explain the process through which I was