Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Tom Morris
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:02, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM,  onthebrinkandfall...@aol.com wrote: What am I misunderstanding? Surely there is a difference between the filter bubble that decides what content to show me on it's own, and an opt-in filter where

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tom Morris, 30/06/2011 11:28: I'd have a problem if people started making overwrought comparison to Nazi book burnings too. Wow, a reductio ad reductionem ad Hitlerum argument. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 10:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Morris, 30/06/2011 11:28: I'd have a problem if people started making overwrought comparison to Nazi book burnings too. Wow, a reductio ad reductionem ad Hitlerum argument. Trained professional philosophers can get

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: *Call for referendum*:  The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 12:31, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: The further we can get away from the model of elementary schools and towards the model of the global universities, the better. +1 (This entire post is gold.) One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Fred Bauder
On 30 June 2011 12:31, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: The further we can get away from the model of elementary schools and towards the model of the global universities, the better. +1 (This entire post is gold.) One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Of course, that could either help or hinder, with no way to know for sure in advance; perhaps encouraging more social interaction would exacerbate and personalize the disputes and conflicts that drive people away. From my perspective, this is exactly what is happening. Too many people want

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone actually consults, ever. Wikipedia now defines what an encyclopedia is in popular conception. So we don't have any tail-lights to chase. What sets our direction? Well, this is now completely and utterly

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Fred Bauder
Of course, that could either help or hinder, with no way to know for sure in advance; perhaps encouraging more social interaction would exacerbate and personalize the disputes and conflicts that drive people away. From my perspective, this is exactly what is happening. Too many people want

[Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 17:00, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: [a git-like distributed wikisphere] It's not my idea,  I believe it's been independently suggested at least five different times that I know of.   But it's a HUGE step that would require a big, bold push from developers and thus

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:35 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Adapting MediaWiki to git has been tried a few times. I suspect the problem is that the software deeply assumes a database behind it, not a version-controlled file tree. Wrong model for an easy fix to MediaWiki itself.

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread HaeB
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:35 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 June 2011 17:00, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: [a git-like distributed wikisphere] It's not my idea, I believe it's been independently suggested at least five different times that I know of. I have

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 19:49, HaeB haebw...@gmail.com wrote: I have added your postings to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HaeB/Timeline_of_distributed_Wikipedia_proposals :-D Do you have an index of this sort of perennial proposal? Apart from, of course,

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
It looks like we understand the potential risks of adding social features, but I don't know that the merits have sunk in. ==Don't call it a Social Network, don't think of it as a revolution== Th first thing to do is banish the word Social Network from the discussion. Social Network evokes

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: As we did not know the extend to which we generally edit in many languages, we have not considered the needs of this majority. Our view has always been on single projects. We can do better and we should do better