Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Mathias Damour mathias.dam...@laposte.net wrote: Why would both Associations and Affiliates both need to use Wikimedia marks ? Because they might feel a need to identify themselves as part of Wikimedia. Yes, there is much talk about use of Wikimedia trademarks

Re: [Foundation-l] New project: WikiMake - library of free 3D models?

2012-02-13 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm coming in to the discussion a bit late, but why do we need a new wiki for this? Surely it falls under the remit of Commons. I hate to see a proliferation of wikis, it dilutes the community rather too much! Am I missing something? Richard Symonds WMUK On 11/02/2012 10:42, Ray Saintonge

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Florence Devouard
On 2/13/12 8:45 AM, Mathias Damour wrote: Why would both Associations and Affiliates both need to use Wikimedia marks ? Does OpenStreetMap need it if it gets some grants from the WMF ? I hope that these models won't be used to softly downgrade (or threaten to downgrade) chapters that would be

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Mathias Damour mathias.dam...@laposte.netwrote: I hope that these models won't be used to softly downgrade (or threaten to downgrade) chapters that would be said not having their bylaws and mission aligned with Wikimedia's. I see new 'models' as a positive

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: One benefit I can identify from this decision is that we could push forward that * partner organizations are ONLY recognized by Wikimedia Foundation * whilst chapters could finally push forward the idea that a new

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: One benefit I can identify from this decision is that we could push forward that * partner organizations are ONLY recognized by

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
Thank you for sharing this, Ting. I think this is an excellent set of proposals with which to start a more structured discussion than we've currently had on this topic. I fail to see the attack on chapters that other people are talking about. There is a distinct difference between Chapters and

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Florence Devouard
On 2/13/12 12:51 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Florence Devouardanthe...@yahoo.comwrote: One benefit I can identify from this decision is that we could push forward that * partner organizations are ONLY recognized by Wikimedia Foundation * whilst chapters could

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Nathan
I am concerned that trying to include them in that kind of process wouldn't work due to the very flexible nature of such organisations. One Chapter - One Vote is problematic as it is (eg. chapters represent geographies of very different sizes, have very different numbers of members, very

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread marcos
There is a simpler solution: to dissolve the current structure of chapters and to leave everything in hands of the magnificent professionals of San Francisco... Marcos Tallés (aka Marctaltor) Secretario de Wikimedia España mar...@wikimedia.org.es tal_t...@yahoo.es (34) 658 395 060

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 14:54, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: I take it you are aware that each chapter developped over time its own set of partners (similar-minded organizations that have overlapping goals with the chapters). These organizations have developped a specific

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Lodewijk
Hiya all, It would be great if we can have this discussion without making sarcastic remarks like this - I know it is a sensitive topic, but I also know that we're in a suboptimal situation here right now. In the past discussions we have talked about how we should try to engage volunteers and let

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 15:58, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: It would be great if we can have this discussion without making sarcastic remarks like this - I know it is a sensitive topic, but I also know that we're in a suboptimal situation here right now. In the past discussions

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread mathias.dam...@laposte.net
Message du 13/02/12 15:59 De : Lodewijk I think there are two types of organizations within the Wikimedia movement relevant here besides the chapters and the WMF: 1) Organizations that will ideally grow into a chapter some day 2) Organizations that explicitely do not want to or cannot grow

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Florence Devouard
On 2/13/12 3:56 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 14:54, Florence Devouardanthe...@yahoo.com wrote: I take it you are aware that each chapter developped over time its own set of partners (similar-minded organizations that have overlapping goals with the chapters). These

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 February 2012 14:29, marcos tal_t...@yahoo.es wrote: There is a simpler solution: to dissolve the current structure of chapters and to leave everything in hands of the magnificent professionals of San Francisco... This is effectively how fundraising now works. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 17:48, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I am not sure if I remember well the arguments exactly (those who do, please help) * we supported chapter creation covering a geographical area rather than not mostly because a legal entity ought to be linked to

[Foundation-l] WMF moving from GoDaddy to MarkMonitor

2012-02-13 Thread Jay Walsh
Hi folks - you may have seen some media coverage recently about Wikimedia's intentions around GoDaddy. It is true that WMF is still planning to move 100% away from GoDaddy for all of its domain name services. I've been informed that we're currently working with MarkMonitor to carry out a full

[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Joan Goma
From: Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 Message-ID: jhar77$4kl$1...@dough.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2/13/12 8:45 AM, Mathias Damour wrote: Why

[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Joan Goma
From: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 Message-ID: CACf6Bev=Wv-N89LB4b3DAY05RDYp9qhd4UVTGZeX3u=hvvh...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type:

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Florence Devouard
On 2/13/12 11:04 PM, Joan Goma wrote: From: Florence Devouardanthe...@yahoo.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 Message-ID:jhar77$4kl$1...@dough.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2/13/12 8:45

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I am afraid that the letter takes over the results of the MR group that where presented at Wikimania 2011. There nobody, as far as I remember, who was enthousiast about those results. My board colleague Marco, for example, was stunned that the MR group thought that the International

[Foundation-l] Wikimania scholarships deadline: Feb 16

2012-02-13 Thread aude
Reminder that the deadline to apply for a Wikimania 2012 travel scholarship is February 16 (23:59 UTC). We encourage you to apply! http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships Full travel scholarships, funded by the Wikimedia Foundation and chapters (France, UK, Israel, Austria), will

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-13 Thread David Richfield
Relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haymarket_affair#.22No_Evidence.22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haymarket_affair#Dubious -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +27718539985 ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Facebook Group re pornography on Wikipedia

2012-02-13 Thread M. Williamson
Finding nudity offensive is not a cultural universal. Members of some cultures may be offended by looking at certain animals full-on or in photographs; what if those animals popped up in search? Where does it end? Where do we draw the line? What do we hide (or erase) and what do we keep unhidden?

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Alec Meta
I'm happy to see the Partner Organization possibility being given serious consideration. I'm a longtime believer that organizations with Wikimedia values need to band together into some larger umbrella organizational structure. I hope this new framework will allow us to return to a more