Hello,
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.com wrote:
What he is pointing out is that the chapter set up the whole process, thus
making them culpable.
The French chapter didn't set up anything. The chapter merely agreed
to accept the donations that the printer
Sam Johnston wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Just how much control do you expect from the Central Committee? Sure,
it's a given that some will-intentioned initiatives will go dreadfully
awry. Bad things have happened in the past, and bad things will happen
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
Sam Johnston wrote:
My primary concern is that all the potential ramifications of such
actions
be properly considered - the income is irrelevant in the context of the
WMF
budget and yet the risk could be extreme.
2009/1/28 Sam Johnston s...@samj.net:
Material in the public domain or under a fully free licence does not
require any kind of fair use consideration.
I'm not talking about genuinely free material, I'm talking about protected
(copyrighted/trademarked) material being uploaded by others - for
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
2009/1/28 Sam Johnston s...@samj.net:
Material in the public domain or under a fully free licence does not
require any kind of fair use consideration.
I'm not talking about genuinely free material, I'm talking
2009/1/28 Sam Johnston s...@samj.net
1. Upload high-resolution copyrighted image littered with trademarks as
anonymous user.
2. Immediately order poster of said image.
3. File against WMF, its chapter(s) and the printer for good measure
claiming [RI|MP]AA sized damages for copyright and
Gerard,
I find your response (which fails to address the issues I have raised)
abrasive bordering on offensive. I also note that this will not be the first
time *today* that someone has requested that you tone it down. What is clear
though is that we have a snowflake's chance in hell of convincing
Hoi,
In your post the crucial bit is that a liability results as a consequence of
an invoice from either the Wikimedia Foundation or from a WMF chapter. This
will not happen because you buy a print from a printer. Our terms of service
explicitly state that we do our utmost to ensure that our
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
In your post the crucial bit is that a liability results as a consequence
of an invoice from either the Wikimedia Foundation or from a WMF chapter.
False.
Furthermore, while WMF *may* be safe from attack
Sam Johnston wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
2009/1/28 Sam Johnston s...@samj.net:
Material in the public domain or under a fully free licence does not
require any kind of fair use consideration.
I'm not talking about
While I advised that a similar matter be dropped earlier, this has some
fundamental differences that I believe may have merit. Whereas the Missing
Manual is uploaded by a known mutual agreement, these photos are not
necessarily uploaded by mutual agreement.
In theory, we are supposed to have
What he is pointing out is that the chapter set up the whole process, thus
making them culpable.
From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:14:45
Sam Johnston wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
If you are of the opinion that things can be done differently, please
explain how. A printer makes money, that is how he earns his crust. So how
would non-profit printing work. Does it exist ? You are also under the
impression that we are meeting
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
Just how much control do you expect from the Central Committee? Sure,
it's a given that some will-intentioned initiatives will go dreadfully
awry. Bad things have happened in the past, and bad things will happen
in
Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
I am sorry to say, now I see quite an opposite attitude: You
have put a picture under a free licence, now do not complain.
This is fine of course but does not encourage the authors very
much.
I think this is one of the best advantages of the French image
Hoi,
You forget that as the copyright holder of your picture, you are free to
sell copies of your pictures as well. You are even allowed to provide your
material under a different license. The only thing you are not allowed is to
revoke the license you provided your material to Commons under.
Hoi,
No it is not, and this should be obvious because I never mentioned amazon
nor ebay. There is no comparison so do not be daft.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/1/23 Mark (Markie) newsmar...@googlemail.com
so as long as money goes to a chapter your saying it would be fine to say:
*Put an amazon
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Mark (Markie)
newsmar...@googlemail.comwrote:
so as long as money goes to a chapter your saying it would be fine to say:
*Put an amazon or ebay link on every product related page
*Use referrer ids on wikis to websites that allow it
*and the dreaded
*and the dreaded advertising as long as the money goes to chapter/WMF
You somewhat lost me here... While I do not hope that there will ever
be advertising on a Wikimedia wiki -- where else could money possibly
go than either the chapter or the WMF?
M.
--
Michael Bimmler
mbimm...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com wrote:
*and the dreaded advertising as long as the money goes to chapter/WMF
You somewhat lost me here... While I do not hope that there will ever
be advertising on a Wikimedia wiki -- where else could money
For money, read
2009/1/23 Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com:
To be honest, that link is not that different from what
[[Special:Booksources]] does, apart from the fact that for the moment there
is only one company offering the service. Nothing prevents other companies
to offer something comparable and
Well, after http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Impression this project
has been started (see also discussion on meta forum,
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Alleged Commercialisation
of the French Wikipedia) I decided not to upload any images on Commons
with resolution higher than
Hoi,
It has always been permitted to use the Commons work commercially. It has
always been explicitly prohibited to disallow non commercial use.
There are two options: either we only allow OTHERS to make money or we can
make some money as well. I disagree that 800x600 is perfectly fine because,
Hoi,
Sam I asked a question and you conveniently snipped that out. So you did not
reply to my question and consequently your statement of not at all does
not relate to what I wrote..
If you are of the opinion that things can be done differently, please
explain how. A printer makes money, that is
Hoi,
The French chapter is a non profit organisation and France is not confined
to a single language or a single project. When the French chapter aims to
support the Wiki community and does this in France by doing similar things
to the Germans, I can only applaud them. By opening up the French
Hello,
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mark (Markie)
newsmar...@googlemail.com wrote:
i dont think the argument here is that people can make money from commons
and the pictures etc, its the fact (as i see it) that a commercial site has
a link from the french wikipedia side bar to their site
Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
i dont think the argument here is that people can make money from commons
and the pictures etc, its the fact (as i see it) that a commercial site
has
a link from the french wikipedia side bar to their site to make a profit.
what is the difference between this and
2009/1/22 Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com:
5. I see comments as well claiming that the operations of the French
chapter do not benefit the projects.
Please find here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Supported_by_Wikimedia_France
the list of all pictures that could be added to
Did actually anybody ever considered paying some part of the profit to the
authors of the pictures? Or at least, if this is such a tiny amount that
it would not make sense, placing some acknowledgements at their pages?
I am sorry to say, now I see quite an opposite attitude: You have put a
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
I deal with this regularly in a professional capacity, this is what
stock photography firms are built on, and I can assure you that there is
no adequate freely licensed stock photography resource in the world.
Commons
Hoi,
How wonderful, the WIkimedia Foundation adopts the Swedish idea to dedicate
2009 as the year of the picture. There is a lot that we can achieve when we
put our mind to it. So let me tell you about some of our needs and of our
low hanging fruits.
==Diversity==
Some people say that we only
Hello,
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
The Swedish chapter had the idea to declare 2009 The Year of the
Picture, to put a concerted effort into adding images to the Wikimedia
Commons, along with using more illustrations in Wikipedia and elsewhere.
I
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