[Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Richard Symonds
Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work, perhaps... Any ideas what the copyright status of this should be? Does the author

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Lodewijk
The cake designer can only release his/her part of the creative process under a free license (baking the cake/making the photo). I would suggest to just specifiy that the logo-part is copyright WMF, the photographic and cake-baking component to be released under CC-BY (not -SA to avoid the SA

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread geni
On 5 March 2012 14:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for Wikimedia UK, so it's technically a derivative work,

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Chris Keating
Does the author (Jezhotwells) have the ability to release it under a free licence, if s/he wishes? No but if they put it on permanent display in a public place the photo would probably be totally fine under UK freedom of panorama law. I suspect a court would hold that the set of

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 March 2012 20:22, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 14:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Silly question for you all: Is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_cake.jpg actually copyrighted to the WMF as a WMF logo? The cake was made for

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Mike Christie
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. You mean we can't have

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Chris Keating
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Mike Christie coldchr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread geni
On 5 March 2012 20:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from freedom of panorama. Well you say that but slices of

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 March 2012 22:07, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 March 2012 20:40, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect a court would hold that the set of cakes is disjoint from the set of objects on permanent display, and thus that a photograph of cake can never benefit from

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Lodewijk
eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. No dia 5 de Março de 2012 23:08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com escreveu: On 5 March 2012 22:07, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 5 March 2012 23:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: eating the cake would damage the moral rights of the logo author. Since he cannot give general permission to violate moral rights, eating the cake would be illegal. If you take a slice out of the cake, that could be an issue

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Michael Peel
Best all around to simply destroy the evidence (by eating it?). ... can this topic end now? Or be moved on-wiki so that it can be filed under WP:SILLY? Thanks, Mike On 5 Mar 2012, at 23:23, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 5 March 2012 23:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: eating the

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright and cakes...

2012-03-05 Thread Mike Christie
You're right, the topic is done. Filing it under WP:SILLY would be the icing on the cake. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Best all around to simply destroy the evidence (by eating it?). ... can this topic end now? Or be moved on-wiki so that it