Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread Strainu
2010/10/27 Jon Davis jda...@wikimedia.org: Sorry, not this time.  What I've got off hand isn't in a publicly usable format.  I didn't think it would be of interest to the public.  Now I know and next time I will make sure the info is public friendly, should it be desired. What does that mean

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: .. What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see this information, even if it's not really well organised. P.S. I think Orientation

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/10/27 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: .. What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see this information, even if it's not

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread Strainu
2010/10/27 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: 2010/10/27 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: .. What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2010/10/27 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: .. What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or what? It could really be of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson
Hello, While I recognise that most of us use free software as much as we can, one element that haven't been brought up in this thread yet is the matter of time. Some FLOSS solution simply take more time than proprietary ones, and I know for a fact that the tech team have s much things to do

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 October 2010 09:53, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2010/10/27 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: ... and their collective mind is probably better than your own, so invite comments before you make decisions. ... and their willingness to second-guess everything you do has no

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 October 2010 10:15, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: That said, our core [[wmf:Values]] includes transparency, and recognises that our community is our biggest asset. Wikimedia is about the most transparent charity on the face of the earth. It's possible that taking it to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihanni...@gmail.com wrote: Some FLOSS solution simply take more time than proprietary ones, and I know for a fact that the tech team have s much things to do that we should a) give them a break if they investigate a matter properly

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 26 October 2010 13:23, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy theory of a Google takeover fueled by illicit access to WMF data doesn't strike me as

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Risker
On 26 October 2010 11:00, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 October 2010 14:23, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy theory of a Google

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread MZMcBride
Nathan wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy theory of a Google takeover fueled by illicit access to WMF data doesn't strike me as remotely realistic. There was a story about a month

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 October 2010 21:30, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Perhaps Google Apps has some terrific benefits that Wikimedia sorely needs; that was the reason I asked what benefits Wikimedia saw in migrating their systems in my original post. However, from where I'm standing, the cost versus

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/10/26 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Gmail is just ridiculously better than any other email client I've ever used ever, having previously progressed through Pine, elm, mutt and Thunderbird. Perhaps it's just me, but I'd guess otherwise from the number of Wikimedians with gmail,com

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:43 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Gmail is just ridiculously better than any other email client I've ever used ever, having previously progressed through Pine, elm, mutt and Thunderbird. Perhaps it's just me, but I'd guess otherwise from the number of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jon Davis jda...@wikimedia.org wrote:  When we wanted to pursue the Google Apps project further, we contacted a sales rep.  In the end, we went through the process like any other group would, and we pay the standard price. Wow. The standard price? Is the

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jon Davis jda...@wikimedia.org wrote: This migration will not effect anything but Staff email.  OTRS, wiki's, mailing lists and anything else I've forgotten to mention will continue to work as they did previously. Are the MX records going to point to WMF, or to

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Jon Davis
The MX records point to McHenry (WMF). At this point mail is sorted and sent to the correct locations (Be it OTRS, Mailing Lists or Google Apps). -Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:31, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jon Davis jda...@wikimedia.org wrote: This

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01: We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some folks sticking with GMail, yours truly included), but unfortunately it doesn't meet all our needs. Why? Google Docs is a great collaborative drafting tool (as is Etherpad, which is open), but I don't want

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread MZMcBride
Jon Davis wrote (among other things): On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 17:22, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I had a few questions about this migration. Has the decision to use Google Apps been finalized? If so, who made the final decision? Yes, the decision has been made. Office IT did the

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Jon Davis
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 15:02, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01: We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some folks sticking with GMail, yours truly included), but unfortunately it doesn't meet all our needs. Why? All things

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Florence Devouard
On 10/26/10 11:01 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: I'd love to see at least a basic MediaWiki/Etherpad integration, it would give MW a huge productivity boost for real-time note-taking and collaboration. + 1 ! Anthere ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Zugravu Gheorghe
On 27.10.2010 01:15, Jon Davis wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 15:02, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01: We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some folks sticking with GMail, yours truly included), but unfortunately it doesn't meet all

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 October 2010 23:35, Zugravu Gheorghe zugravu.gheor...@gmail.com wrote: And as a small comment: Thunderbird is free (as in freedom) application and allows to do whatever manipulation with the code (and there are a bunch of thunderbird customization already available there) - thus if

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Zugravu Gheorghe
On 27.10.2010 01:39, David Gerard wrote: On 26 October 2010 23:35, Zugravu Gheorghe zugravu.gheor...@gmail.com wrote: And as a small comment: Thunderbird is free (as in freedom) application and allows to do whatever manipulation with the code (and there are a bunch of thunderbird

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Zugravu Gheorghe zugravu.gheor...@gmail.com wrote: On 27.10.2010 01:15, Jon Davis wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 15:02, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01: We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Jon Davis jda...@wikimedia.org wrote: Howdy, As a quick introduction, I'm Jon Davis[1], one of the Office IT guys in the SF office. Since the Google Apps migrations is one of my major projects, I'll try to answer your questions the best I can. Replies in

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-26 Thread Jon Davis
Sorry, not this time. What I've got off hand isn't in a publicly usable format. I didn't think it would be of interest to the public. Now I know and next time I will make sure the info is public friendly, should it be desired. -Jon On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 19:17, K. Peachey

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-25 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to Google Apps. Google Apps is a Web-based closed source office suite that includes Gmail and a few other services.[1] I had a few questions about this migration. Has the decision to use Google Apps been finalized? If so,

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-25 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to Google Apps. Using Google Apps for what? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-25 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:22 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to Google Apps. Where was this announced / discussed ? Or, how the heck did you find out?? ;-) -- John Vandenberg

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-25 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 10/25/2010 06:22 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Has the decision to use Google Apps been finalized? If so, who made the final decision? What are the benefits of using Google Apps for the Wikimedia Foundation? One thing I will say to the benefit of Google Apps is that they allow long-distance

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

2010-10-25 Thread MZMcBride
Anthony wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to Google Apps. Using Google Apps for what? My understanding is that it would be used for e-mail, calendars, and Google Docs primarily.