Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Stallman
but none has actually stepped up to write actual code (as Martyn says, everytime you start writting something, you hit the legacy wall). It sounds like this might be a case of conflicting goals that cannot all be satisfied. If so, we might be able to enable progress to start by making a

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Stallman
Freedom from slavery is a means to an end, the end being a just society with no racial discrimination and equal opportunity for all. Freedom is not merely a means to achieve something else. It is necessary in its own right. Mere equality of

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Stallman
While freedom is an important factor in life, it is not the only defining factor for quality of life. At the end of the day, most of us want a certain level of comfort too. We need a strong vision and strategy to become best of breed in software. Merely being free will only

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Stallman
How about a healthy dose of ambition and aim for becoming the best platform of choice, regardless of the freeness? If you mean that we would like GNOME to be better than the other desktops in practical terms, of course we would like that. That is an answer to the question, Where would we

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2010/2/25 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org: A. Try to make GNOME better in practical ways too. B. Teach him to appreciate freedom, so he will recognize that the proprietary programs are inherently inferior ethically. It makes sense to work on both of them in parallel, according to the

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Ruben Vermeersch
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:27 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: but it will never capture a significant market, which in the end just means that you'll slowly become irrelevant. Is your standard of relevance based solely on market success? Only a few percent of computer users run the

Chance to comment on US government use of technology pages

2010-02-25 Thread Stormy Peters
As an Open Source for America member, GNOME has been invited to comment on the US government's use of technology. -- Forwarded message -- From: INTERNAL: OSA Board of Advisors Discussion List Date: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:47 AM Subject: [OSA-board-announce] OSFA Business: We need

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Stormy Peters
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.eswrote: This thread is about how can we set a strategic roadmap. It is more about innovation vs stability. We are doing pretty well on the stability side with our six-months cycle schedule. We are even adding some

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Juanjo Marin
OnOn Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:26 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: A free computing environment is always better than proprietary alternatives. It is better ethically and socially, because of freedom. Of course, we would like to make it better in practical ways too. But we should not treat

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Ivan Frade
Hi, The big idea behind GNOME3 can be to offer a completely new User Experience. GNOME2 did well with the usual Menus/panel/folders approach, it brought stability, performance and we built the basic blocks of a Desktop. Now comes the time to use those blocks to revamp how the user interact with

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
El jue, 25-02-2010 a las 22:29 +0200, Ivan Frade escribió: Hi, The big idea behind GNOME3 can be to offer a completely new User Experience. GNOME2 did well with the usual Menus/panel/folders approach, it brought stability, performance and we built the basic blocks of a Desktop. Now comes

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 16:40 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi there, I agree with Frade, for example among my university friends facebook is quite important, it's how you interact with a lot of people you don't see daily and some times the way to find out about meetings, parties, etc.

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Stallman
If the freedom offered needs to be taught and be appreciated, there is a fundamentally flaw with that. True freedom should be obvious once it is tasted. If we had made that our criterion, it would have led us to reject many past advances in our understanding of human rights.

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Stallman
I value the potential market we can cater as highly important, as this directly determines the size of the economical ecosystem we can build around F/OSS. While most of us are not in this to become rich, we all have to eat and feed the bills. If we want our project to have

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Stallman
A. Try to make GNOME better in practical ways too. B. Teach him to appreciate freedom, so he will recognize that the proprietary programs are inherently inferior ethically. however, point B is pretty much like saying that instead of coming up with Copyleft you should