Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Is this the EULA that you're referring to? http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/eula/firefox-en.html Yes. It is quite clearly a non-free license. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-06 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 17:14 -0500, Hubert Figuiere wrote: [Is Sun's Java 1.6] Free (as Libre) Software? No. (It is at least now redistributable, which allowed the likes of Debian to ship it in non-free. Progress) You may, however, be interested to hear that a new project has

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-06 Thread Richard Stallman
Firefox 3.0 will use Breakpad instead of that talkback software. At one point the build included both for testing reasons. However, in the current nightly it appears that talkback is not included (I know it wasn't used for a while). Is Breakpad free? If so, that is good news --

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-06 Thread Thomas Thurman
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 10:38:28PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Is Breakpad free? If so, that is good news -- one of the two problems is solved. Breakpad is distributed under the modified BSD licence (i.e. without the advertising clause). See http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/ and

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-05 Thread Richard Stallman
In working with the Mozilla Foundation, we need to keep in mind that the Firefox binaries released by the Mozilla foundation are non-free. Originally this was true for two different reasons: 1. These binaries included the Talkback module for which source was not released at all. (Mozilla does

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 04:33:38PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I heard that work was under way developing a free replacement for Talkback. I do not know where this work stands now. In any case, we need to be careful not to recommend the non-free Firefox binaries, unless both problems have

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-05 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 23:02 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Whjile I disagree with Mozilla's trademark policy for precisely its affect on the free software development community, their policy is not incompatible with Firefox as free software, in the same way as Sun's policy concerning Java does not

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-05 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Richard, Richard Stallman wrote: I heard that work was under way developing a free replacement for Talkback. I do not know where this work stands now. In any case, we need to be careful not to recommend the non-free Firefox binaries, unless both problems have been solved. Talkback bas

GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-04 Thread Vincent Untz
GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces === The GNOME Foundation and the Mozilla Foundation announced today that they will increase their collaboration to improve developer support and user experience of desktop applications on GNU/Linux

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-04 Thread Thomas Thurman
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:38PM +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: * Mozilla reaffirms its commitment to integrating with the GNOME platform for the XUL development platform, and for Mozilla Firefox. a) This sounds nifty. b) What will this mean for Ephy? peace T -- Thomas Thurman,

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-04 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Thomas Thurman wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:38PM +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: * Mozilla reaffirms its commitment to integrating with the GNOME platform for the XUL development platform, and for Mozilla Firefox. a) This sounds nifty. b) What will this mean for Ephy?

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-04 Thread Og Maciel
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may come a day when Epiphany's reason for being (a web browser well integrated into GNOME) with go away, and Firefox will naturally be the default on all distros. That day may never arrive. /me cries a bit. -- Og B.