Re: GNOME Event Box for North America
Le mercredi 17 mai 2006 à 15:47 -0500, Ariel Rios a écrit : The GNOME Event Box in Europe has been really useful to the local groups and helped make their booths look really great. After some discussion, it was agreed that such a box would be most welcome for events in North America (where North America is at least Canada US). Mexico should be part of North America and then have another one as Fernando suggested for South America. The reasons Mexico is not in this (small) list is that Federico told me customs would be a big issue here. It would probably be worth to do the test once, for a big event in Mexico, though. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Event Box for North America
Le mercredi 17 mai 2006 à 17:34 -0400, Germán Poó Caamaño a écrit : On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 15:47 -0500, Ariel Rios wrote: The GNOME Event Box in Europe has been really useful to the local groups and helped make their booths look really great. After some discussion, it was agreed that such a box would be most welcome for events in North America (where North America is at least Canada US). Mexico should be part of North America and then have another one as Fernando suggested for South America. I think the situation is different in Europe than in Latin-America. I do not think that is feasible to do it at least in South America (I would like to be wrong, anyway). How feasible is to move the Event Box between countries? How much does it cost in Europe according their experience? If I'm not mistaken (Murray will correct me), sending the box costs around €100. I believe it mainly moved between Germany, UK and France so far, but I certainly hope other local groups will make use of it. Probably is not so different between USA and Canada. I do not know what about Mexico. Customs issue for Mexico, according to Federico. In South America the distances are very different than in Europe and our custom offices are not as friendly with us as I supossed they are between europeans (because of the CE). So, If Fernando is asking for that box we should know that: - The costs of moving the event box between countries (Chile- Brazil, for instance) could be high. cargo + taxes + custom fees, etc. - The costs of such equipment according I see in Amazon.de (the point of reference in live.gnome.org) are cheaper than in Chile and I guess cheaper than in Brazil. (LCD, desktop computer) - Cables/paper/posters/t-shirts are cheaper in South America than in Europe. If we are really interested in the Event Box, the less we must to do is to figure out the cost of each item, prepare a proposal and ask the board if this is feasible. At least to be serious. I (and probably other people in the board) would definitely be interested to see a box in Latin America if it's doable. Sounds like you have a plan :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Notes from the Desktop Architects Meeting
(Disclaimer: I'm certainly not a specialist about Asia) Le mercredi 17 mai 2006 à 06:35 +0200, Quim Gil a écrit : Some comments with a GUADEC perspective (I'm capable of having other perspectives but apparently these months I'm a one-topic guy) :) :-) On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 08:34 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: - we should try to send people in asian regional events to show that we're interested in what's happening there (they don't seem to know that we're interested in that) - inviting some managers from asian projects to events such as GUADEC might be a good idea We have a Farsi team very active in GUADEC 2006, we have also a Novell team from Bagalore and Sun is sending 2 developers from Beijing. Iran, India and China have possibly just one common denominator, being Asian countries, but we could have a BOF session lead by them during the AHW to see how an Asian coordinated effort can be addressed. Apart from GUADEC there is at least a GNOME Korea local group, many translation teams and advisory board companies' offices there (you know this much better than me). The cooperation with Asia item was more related to some efforts that we don't know about. For example, there are people working on distributions in Thailand, Malaysia, China, India Korea and we nearly don't know anything about them. What do they need from us? Is there some parts of what's they're doing that we should integrate? etc. I believe the Farsi team is a good example of what we should aim to achieve for this since they're doing a lot of fantastic work with us (where us is not only GNOME, but the upstream authors). One thing that was highlighted by some of the Chinese people during the discussion about this is that there is, unfortunately, a cultural difference that makes it hard for lots of Asian people to contribute. What is clear to me is that any real move in Asia or wherever needs to be promoted mainly by the local gnomers of these countries, with assistance of the rest of the Foundation. Starting dynamics i.e. dealing directly with the board without counting with the locals or counting with them when everything is arranged and agreed is not a desirable practice. Of course. I certainly didn't want to imply we don't care about the local groups. We should definitely encourage them to continue. The solution discussed at the meeting (and proposed by one person working at the United Nations on those kinds of issues) is to create relationships between the people who manage the governmental open source efforts and the upstream projects. These would be some formal relationships, which require action from the Foundation. There are two different (although related) things here: + get feedback from and try to cooperate with the open source efforts, that are mainly governmental efforts + build an even bigger community in Asian countries than what we have right now (FWIW, I believe we should also look at Africa, but this might be even more difficult) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Event Box for North America
Could be this be able for Latin America too? [snip] The European box has shown that we have enough difficulty planning when we have to tell UPS about the pick up 2/3 days before the delivery time. People either think of it the day before the event, or just expect the box to magically arrive without their involvement, and then don't plan time to have the box sent back. Unfortunately, I don't think this will be much more fun if we add customs delays. Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: LSB summit in Boston
Le jeudi 18 mai 2006 à 09:33 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi all, There will be a LSB summit in Boston on 1st and 2nd of June (same place as Usenix). The details are at: http://freestandards.org/en/LSB_Summit Is there anyone from GNOME going there, or wanting to go there? One topic will be the expansion of the LSB Steering committee and the LSB people are considering having a GNOME representative there. So if we want to get actively involved in LSB, going to the summit is definitely a good first step :-) I forgot to add: people wanting to work on LSB from a GNOME perspective should also subscribe to some LSB mailing lists (lsb-futures lsb-desktop, I've been told). If you do so, please tell everyone else (we could then even choose to have an official representative on the lsb lists ;-)) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for comments on where to have GUADEC in 2007
Hi, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Glynn Foster wrote: Neither of the bids have any details about financials and budgets - I think the decisions can't possibly made until we know the details of what the costs involved of hosting in each of the bids. Aside from the cost of the venue, which we have never paid (at least not since I've been involved), the conference is actually pretty cheap to organise. This year, the majority of our budget is being spent getting people to the conference - this was also the case in previous years. Even in Stuttgart, where the cost of extras like the sandwiches, projectors and so on was more than expected, this represented a small portion of the budget. I certainly agree that we need to consider the financial risk of a conference, but GUADEC is cheap, and could even be cheaper. I'm absolutely sure it is - I've been on the other end though where the conference venue wasn't exactly cheap, and we got caught by hidden costs. I'd just like to ensure that the bids should have detailed information of various expected costs involved, all of which were missing from the PDF documents that were sent around previously. Maybe Jeff can comment on the type of information that his team have supplied for LCA in Sydney next year? Glynn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for comments on where to have GUADEC in 2007
Hi, Glynn Foster wrote: Neither of the bids have any details about financials and budgets - I think the decisions can't possibly made until we know the details of what the costs involved of hosting in each of the bids. Aside from the cost of the venue, which we have never paid (at least not since I've been involved), the conference is actually pretty cheap to organise. This year, the majority of our budget is being spent getting people to the conference - this was also the case in previous years. Even in Stuttgart, where the cost of extras like the sandwiches, projectors and so on was more than expected, this represented a small portion of the budget. I certainly agree that we need to consider the financial risk of a conference, but GUADEC is cheap, and could even be cheaper. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Trademark agreement (ODT update)
Hi, First off, I'd like to thank Dom and DW Price for their comments on the contract. In fact, DW did a *huge* job going over the contract, and I've put his commented version and the original on ODT format in the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/Trademark at the top of the page. We now probably have more questions than answers, and another round of comments would be appreciated. If people would like to make revisions to the original (or the DWP edit) ODT, I will do my best to reintegrate those and get something coherent out at the end. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Mellon awards
Hi all, http://rit.mellon.org/awards The GNOME Foundation qualifies for these awards, surely. Who would like to write a first draft of a (max. 1000 words) nomination? In my experience, the shorter the better, if you can do it in 200 words, that would be great. Please reply here with efforts. We just need to figure out how the GNOME project provides a direct and demonstrably significant benefit to the arts or the environment. To be elligible, an organisation: 1. Provides a direct and demonstrably significant benefit to one or more of the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation’s traditional constituencies: higher education, with a special emphasis on the arts and humanities; libraries and scholarly communications; performing arts; conservation and the environment; or museums and art conservation; and 2. Meets the Foundation’s strict standards for excellence; and 3. Includes the development of intellectual property that is freely available to the academic community under one of the approved open source licenses. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Notes from the Desktop Architects Meeting
Le jeudi 18 mai 2006 à 09:06 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : [snip] One thing that was highlighted by some of the Chinese people during the discussion about this is that there is, unfortunately, a cultural difference that makes it hard for lots of Asian people to contribute. So we really need those people to imagine or suggest an environment where they could get more done, working with each other and us. There's a lot of motivation to give them what they need. I agree. But I should have detailed more the cultural difference: we were told that they're not used to question the authority. And upstream developers represent authority. Which is a really difficult issue. (again, I'm pretty much ignorant of the various Asian cultures, I'm just repeating stuff said by some Asian people at the meeting) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Event Box for North America
Lucas Rocha escribió: Hi, I think the situation is different in Europe than in Latin-America. I do not think that is feasible to do it at least in South America (I would like to be wrong, anyway). I strongly agree. :-) In South America the distances are very different than in Europe and our custom offices are not as friendly with us as I supossed they are between europeans (because of the CE). Yes, this is true. Although I like the idea of having a Latin America Event Box, I don't think it's feasible. IMHO, we should look for two simpler/cheaper event boxes for each country (Chile and Brazil). We'd need to define what simpler means here. We from Brazil are very interested in having a marketing kit for several (small|medium|large) brazilian free software conferences. :-) At FISL (for example), we didn't have any marketing material in our GNOME mini-booth. :-/ For simple it means with out hardware, or maybe just a cheaper laptop, most important are Shirts, Posters, LiveCDs, GNOME T-shirts, GNOME bags, GNOME stickers/badges, etc. I mean would be great to have a full event box, but also is more expensive so i we need to simplify it i would remove expensive hardware (expensive in Chile). -- Fernando San Martín Woerner Galilea S.A. -- Este mensaje ha sido analizado por nuestros servidores en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que está limpio. begin:vcard fn;quoted-printable:Fernando San Mart=C3=ADn Woerner n;quoted-printable:San Mart=C3=ADn Woerner;Fernando email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:56-71-514400 tel;fax:56-71-514450 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: LSB summit in Boston
The Linux Standards Base is a plan to develop a specification for the GNU system. Not, in this case, for the GNU/Linux combination, just for GNU, because these specs don't concern the kernel, Linux. It is purely for GNU, but they call GNU Linux. If we want to develop specs for the GNU system, let's organize it under the auspices of GNU. I have good relations with some KDE developers. We can set it up. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
