Re: Code Of Conduct

2006-06-01 Thread Yavor Doganov
On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:44:03 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: GNOME is Free Software and part of the GNU project [...] If the above statement is indeed true, I wonder where any misrepresentations are, if they can be rectified and what can be done in general to improve the overall

Re: Code Of Conduct

2006-06-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Yavor Doganov If you read Planet GNOME and some of the mailing lists, you'll notice that many developers use the term Open Source and call the operating system Linux, instead of GNU or GNU/Linux. Some of them were even excited when a popular non-free software was relicensed

Re: Code Of Conduct

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
ons, 31 05 2006 kl. 20:38 +0100, skrev Bill Haneman: On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 19:25, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: Nobody will be driven away by that, people might be driven away by us stating that you now are part of a community with a code of conduct. Actually if persons are driven away by not

Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Murray Cumming
Anne wrote: [snip] I do not say this to start a new long debat in this tread. But it has become obvious that the 1% participation of women in FLOSS is embarrassing and we need to have a look at why this is the case and make some cultural changes. I know that the Computer Science Department

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/1/06, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne wrote: [snip] I do not say this to start a new long debat in this tread. But it has become obvious that the 1% participation of women in FLOSS is embarrassing and we need to have a look at why this is the case and make some cultural

Re: Code Of Conduct

2006-06-01 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 31 May 2006, Richard Stallman wrote: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:13:33 -0400 From: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Code Of Conduct So I would definitely agree that given an idea of contributing (code),

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Luis Villa wrote: Such a plan should be written by someone who has actually been involved in IRC, our mailing lists, bugzilla, etc., *as a developer*- which, sorry, isn't Anne. It will not work if it is not driven by someone with such experience. That's not so. There's nothing

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Baris Cicek
Actually, it should be someone who is able to detect possible obstacles that put Asians or Women out of GNOME (or in general Free Software). I doubt that anyone have any emprical study about that. But is it harsh and rude behavior of developers or the community? Or technical limits? Or even

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 16:27 +0300, skrev Baris Cicek: Actually, it should be someone who is able to detect possible obstacles that put Asians or Women out of GNOME (or in general Free Software). I doubt that anyone have any emprical study about that. But is it harsh and rude behavior of

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 08:13 -0400, skrev Luis Villa: On 6/1/06, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne wrote: [snip] I do not say this to start a new long debat in this tread. But it has become obvious that the 1% participation of women in FLOSS is embarrassing and we need to

Re: Code Of Conduct

2006-06-01 Thread Telsa Gwynne
Ar Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:04:43PM +0200, ysgrifennodd Murray Cumming: I don't think we need a whole organisation to police it. At the least, it should just be how we expect people to behave on mailing lists and IRC and it could be up to the administrator of that list or channel to decide

Re: Code Of Conduct

2006-06-01 Thread Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 13:23 +0200, Anne Østergaard wrote: I have personally had the feeling over the past couple of years that the general atmosphere in the GNOME community has hardened. I don't think its has hardened as much as grown older. Going back 5 years we where 'all' in our early/mid

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Iau, 2006-06-01 at 14:33 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: Hmm, how about people working together? It just seems that the person who most most obviously wants this should be the person trying to make it happen. I'd be wary of pursuing just the women in GNOME issue, because many of the same

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 18:57 +0200, skrev Murray Cumming: On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: On Iau, 2006-06-01 at 14:33 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: Hmm, how about people working together? It just seems that the person who most most obviously wants this should be the person

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Germán Poó Caamaño
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 22:21 +0200, Anne Østergaard wrote: tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 18:57 +0200, skrev Murray Cumming: On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: [...] Also if Code of Conduct is too strong then Expected Behaviour perhaps. Personally I don't see a problem with Code of

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread David Neary
Hi, Anne Østergaard wrote: tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 18:57 +0200, skrev Murray Cumming: I think it is a natural step to take after the EU and FLOSSPOLS report has shown that women are being excluded from the community.- What I've seen shows that women are not participating in the community - this

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Dominic Lachowicz
I think it is a natural step to take after the EU and FLOSSPOLS report has shown that women are being excluded from the community.- This rubs me the wrong way. It's not like we're actively working to exclude women, Asians, or Martians from GNOME. Nor are we actively trying to make GNOME a

Re: Isn't and Wasn't Rules [Was: Code Of Conduct]

2006-06-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Jeff Waugh I think a fun way to deal with this criticism ('cos it's valid and expected) is to actually make it a Very GNOMEy Code of Conduct. Let's not beat around the bush - first point: Be Excellent to Each Other. *guitar lick* (added this point to the wiki page) - Jeff --