Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-23 Thread Bram Kuijvenhoven
Marco van de Voort wrote: I found a png, but can't seem to find the original file (it is in .dia format), will have to search for it. http://www.stack.nl/~marcov/decalhier.png If you can't find the eps - or never had any - I can create one on my own (using xfig). Anyway, here is a patch for

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-22 Thread Marco van de Voort
> > > Ouch, it bites, ehmmm or should I say it bytes ;) Very interesting > stuff, but not for mere mortals like me :) > Really out of my reach. I'll try to play with it, just to try to see how > it works (even if I doubt I'll be able to understand the compiler god's > code :) Mere RTL god ;)

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-22 Thread Dean Zobec
Marco van de Voort wrote: >Better finish decal. DeCal is good and comfortable for most cases, and >trying to speed it up will kill the ease of use. > >Then we can collect some other set of routines over time for more performance >dependant stuff. > > You are right, it will be probably the easier

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-22 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > What is the performance difference between a hash() and a binary search on > an ordered list ? IMO perfomance heavily depends on the use of the lists. An ordered list requires some efforts when entering or removing items, and typically requires more comparisons than a

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-22 Thread Marco van de Voort
> Marco van de Voort wrote: > > I have a tex version of the decal docs somewhere. > > > > http://www.stack.nl/~marcov/decal.tex (might use some FPC tex docs files) > > > > compiled to > > > > http://www.stack.nl/~marcov/decal.pdf > > I am reading this manual now, because I want to familiarize

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-22 Thread Bram Kuijvenhoven
Marco van de Voort wrote: I have a tex version of the decal docs somewhere. http://www.stack.nl/~marcov/decal.tex (might use some FPC tex docs files) compiled to http://www.stack.nl/~marcov/decal.pdf I am reading this manual now, because I want to familiarize myself with this lib. Meanwhil

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Marco van de Voort
> >At work, I have found out that decal is too bulky and too slow for some > >purposes (I've lists with millions of objects in memory). _each_ entry in > >a decal container eats 78 byte (with D6 memory manager, but will only be > >equal or larger with FPC) > > > I can immagine, the DObject is a TV

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Dean Zobec
Bram Kuijvenhoven wrote: > Besides using TVarRecs, we could also use pointers (as in > classes.TList) or objects. Pointers like in TList were the things I had in mind. > This would perhaps be a bit like it is in java.util. Then we would > also need container classes for basic types such as bool

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Dean Zobec
Marco van de Voort wrote: >>Dean Zobec wrote: >> >> >>>As the project looks like a long term one and I think that fpc urgently >>>needs a optimized hash table I'll also work on a streamlined hash table >>>with a chaining technique as a collision resolution scheme and a paging >>>for the alloc

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Bram Kuijvenhoven
Dean Zobec wrote: I can immagine, the DObject is a TVarRec. The problem with speed and memory usage are the things that I don't like in Decal and it still makes me wonder if it would be better to reimplement a containers library from scratch, if we had generics to add type checking at compile t

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Dean Zobec
Marco van de Voort wrote: >>The generic functions are very powerful and model closely the C++ STL >>library (as fpc does not have generics yet a sort of typecast is still >>required when fetching the items from the container). The library was >>not designed for speed though, from the first test th

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Marco van de Voort
> > Depends how the hash is parametrized. If you've a big hash array and a > > good hash function accessing has a complexity of O(1) while for a binary > > search it's O(log(n)) > > But I assume that calculating the hash becomes harder for 'better' hashes ? Only for general purpose hashes. Specif

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Dean Zobec
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: >What is the performance difference between a hash() and a binary search on >an ordered list ? I've also been working with an 'associative' stringlist, but >I was using an ordered stringlist to keep the data, so a binary search is done. > > The TStringList is a very f

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Dean Zobec
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: >>Depends how the hash is parametrized. If you've a big hash array and a >>good hash function accessing has a complexity of O(1) while for a binary >>search it's O(log(n)) >> >> > >But I assume that calculating the hash becomes harder for 'better' hashes ? > Not alwa

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Micha Nelissen
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:42:19 +0200 (CEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco van de Voort) wrote: > > Depends how the hash is parametrized. If you've a big hash array and a > > good hash function accessing has a complexity of O(1) > > while for a binary > > search it's O(log(n)) > > This is no fair compari

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Marco van de Voort
> > I would make that the contnrs unit. I think it belongs more together with > > objects such as a stack and queue... > > > > What is the performance difference between a hash() and a binary search on > > an ordered list ? I've also been working with an 'associative' stringlist, > > but > > I

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Florian Klaempfl wrote: > Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Florian Klaempfl wrote: > > > > > >>Dean Zobec wrote: > >> > >>>As the project looks like a long term one and I think that fpc urgently > >>>needs a optimized hash table I'll also work o

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Florian Klaempfl wrote: > > >>Dean Zobec wrote: >> >>>As the project looks like a long term one and I think that fpc urgently >>>needs a optimized hash table I'll also work on a streamlined hash table >>>with a chaining technique as a collisi

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Florian Klaempfl wrote: > Dean Zobec wrote: > > As the project looks like a long term one and I think that fpc urgently > > needs a optimized hash table I'll also work on a streamlined hash table > > with a chaining technique as a collision resolution scheme and a paging >

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Marco van de Voort
> Dean Zobec wrote: > > As the project looks like a long term one and I think that fpc urgently > > needs a optimized hash table I'll also work on a streamlined hash table > > with a chaining technique as a collision resolution scheme and a paging > > for the allocation of the nodes in the chains,

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Marco van de Voort
> The generic functions are very powerful and model closely the C++ STL > library (as fpc does not have generics yet a sort of typecast is still > required when fetching the items from the container). The library was > not designed for speed though, from the first test the DArray class is > twice a

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Dean Zobec wrote: > As the project looks like a long term one and I think that fpc urgently > needs a optimized hash table I'll also work on a streamlined hash table > with a chaining technique as a collision resolution scheme and a paging > for the allocation of the nodes in the chains, to have a

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Dean Zobec
John Briggs wrote: >This is a repost of an earlier response to another thread. I did not recieve >any response so I am posting this in its own thread. > >I have several old books (circa 1991), including source code, covering TP6 in >my library. > > I still remember the Algorithms + Data Structu

Re: [fpc-devel] Generic Programming Units

2005-06-21 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, John Briggs wrote: This is a repost of an earlier response to another thread. I did not recieve any response so I am posting this in its own thread. I have several old books (circa 1991), including source code, covering TP6 in my library. Perhaps the most interesting one