Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-09 Thread Nikolai Zhubr
Hello Florian, 07.02.2012 1:49, Florian Klämpfl: Am 03.02.2012 01:37, schrieb Nikolai Zhubr: I can set up ssh for any FPC developer(s) (though I'll need some time to fix cables etc then) Let me know. It would be nice to get an account, currently I'am still busy with fixing compilation issue

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-06 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 03.02.2012 01:37, schrieb Nikolai Zhubr: I can set up ssh for any FPC developer(s) (though I'll need some time to fix cables etc then) Let me know. It would be nice to get an account, currently I'am still busy with fixing compilation issue but I'd expect first compiled programs within a few

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-03 Thread Jy V
Excellent. this is nice to see interest from other developers with the Netgear WNDR3800, not only I can ship a Netgear WNDR3800 to the home of any developer willing to spend time to port FPC for MIPS, but I am also ready to offer a reasonable bounty to get motivated anyone that would help to

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-03 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Am 03.02.2012 01:37, schrieb Nikolai Zhubr: Hi, 31.01.2012 0:08, Pierre Free Pascal: Anyhow, I just discovered that the /home directory is 99% full on that GCC compile farm machine, meaning that only remote tests will be possible ☹ It seems that lots of developers have the same issue about

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-03 Thread Nikolai Zhubr
03.02.2012 14:26, Florian Klaempfl: How did you install debian? Or is it a chroot'ed debian? No, it it not chrooted. Basically I took kernel from openwrt 10.03.1 build tree (it is also 2.6.32 but modified slightly to better support platform-specific peripherials), disabled NAND-related

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-03 Thread Nikolai Zhubr
03.02.2012 16:01, Nikolai Zhubr: 03.02.2012 14:26, Florian Klaempfl: How did you install debian? Or is it a chroot'ed debian? No, it it not chrooted. And by the way. If you somehow obtain wndr3800 and want debian on it, I can probably prepare ready-to-use images for hard disk and internal

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-03 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Nikolai Zhubr wrote: 03.02.2012 16:01, Nikolai Zhubr: 03.02.2012 14:26, Florian Klaempfl: How did you install debian? Or is it a chroot'ed debian? No, it it not chrooted. And by the way. If you somehow obtain wndr3800 and want debian on it, I can probably prepare ready-to-use images for

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-02-02 Thread Nikolai Zhubr
Hi, 31.01.2012 0:08, Pierre Free Pascal: Anyhow, I just discovered that the /home directory is 99% full on that GCC compile farm machine, meaning that only remote tests will be possible ☹ It seems that lots of developers have the same issue about finding MIPS machines for testing …. Would

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-31 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/30/2012 09:47 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: My understanding is that naked Flash devices have limited write capability, but that thumb drives have an embedded microcontroller that levels the wear. There is still the issue that some filesystems work better with this type of device than

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-31 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/30/2012 06:16 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Presumably for the same reasons that people are trying to translate C to FPGA functionality. NOT that I'm suggesting that as a viable project. There are special parallel C dialects that are useful for this. Moreover the most modern way of

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-31 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said: capability, but that thumb drives have an embedded microcontroller that levels the wear. There is still the issue that some filesystems work better with this type of device than others. My experience with external USB-connected drives is

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-31 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: I've seen 2.5 usb-only HDD's crash laptops, and my experiences with other arm devices (Sheeva, goflex are the same). In short, no devices that don't have an own PSU. My experience is quite different from yours. I've a couple of external 3.5 HHDs with external

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-31 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Marco van de Voort schrieb: I've seen 2.5 usb-only HDD's crash laptops, and my experiences with other arm devices (Sheeva, goflex are the same). In short, no devices that don't have an own PSU. My experience is quite different from yours. I've a couple of

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Michael Schnell
IMHO, the MIPS port is interesting, too, as the NIOS CPU that is available as soft core for Altera FPGA uses a very similar instruction set and supposedly can be handled as a sub-arch. There is a very active community for NIOS-Linux that now provides a quite decent MMU-enabled Linux port

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Nikolay Nikolov
On 01/29/2012 02:21 PM, Florian Klämpfl wrote: Main problem with MIPS is to get hands on a reasonable development system (full fledged unix like Debian Linux, *BSD, CPU in the range of 1 GHz, 128 MB or more RAM, at least 1 GB of HD/SSD). Cross compiling is possible of course, but it makes

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Nikolai Zhubr wrote: Hi, 29.01.2012 19:32, Jy V: [...] on the WNDR3800 the OpenWRT installed gives root@OpenWrt:~# uname -a Linux OpenWrt 2.6.32.27 #5 Wed Dec 21 01:59:33 CET 2011 mips GNU/Linux I've got wndr3800 too, and moreover I don't use it for the moment. So instead of collecting dust

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Michael Schnell wrote: IMHO, the MIPS port is interesting, too, as the NIOS CPU that is available as soft core for Altera FPGA uses a very similar instruction set and supposedly can be handled as a sub-arch. There is a very active community for NIOS-Linux that now provides a quite decent

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Nikolai Zhubr wrote: 30.01.2012 16:19, Mark Morgan Lloyd: Bear in mind that there's Debian for both endiannesses of MIPS, I'm running mipsel via Qemu to reasonable effect. Experience with small ARM systems suggests that having enough memory is crucial, 128Mb with swap to 512 should be OK but

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Michael Schnell wrote: On 01/30/2012 01:48 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Michael Schnell wrote: IMHO, the MIPS port is interesting, too, as the NIOS CPU that is available as soft core for Altera FPGA uses a very similar instruction set and supposedly can be handled as a sub-arch. There is a

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.fpc-de...@telemetry.co.uk wrote: was tinkering with them, it would be interesting to have input from somebody who's actually used that technology e.g. to tell us why a high-level language such as Pascal can contribute. If you cut

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/30/2012 02:51 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I remember mentioning NIOS as a MIPS variant in earlier discussion. Did you ever conclude just how close they were, i.e. could one backend target both? Not really. This is what the FAE told me when he did an introduction on NIOS. I understand

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Michael Schnell
Pascal is not useful for doing FPGA design, but for using the NIOS CPU that is programmed into the FPGA (using some HDL tools). Especially when this CPU runs Linux, Pascal might come handy for certain projects or programmers. -Michael ___ fpc-devel

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.fpc-de...@telemetry.co.uk wrote: was tinkering with them, it would be interesting to have input from somebody who's actually used that technology e.g. to tell us why a high-level language such as

RE: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Pierre Free Pascal
Anyhow, I just discovered that the /home directory is 99% full on that GCC compile farm machine, meaning that only remote tests will be possible ☹ It seems that lots of developers have the same issue about finding MIPS machines for testing …. Would you consider the NetGear WNDR3800 680Mhz,

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Pierre Free Pascal wrote: Anyhow, I just discovered that the /home directory is 99% full on that GCC compile farm machine, meaning that only remote tests will be possible ☹ It seems that lots of developers have the same issue about finding MIPS machines for testing …. Would you consider the

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Andrew Haines
On 01/30/12 07:19, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Nikolai Zhubr wrote: Hi, 29.01.2012 19:32, Jy V: [...] on the WNDR3800 the OpenWRT installed gives root@OpenWrt:~# uname -a Linux OpenWrt 2.6.32.27 #5 Wed Dec 21 01:59:33 CET 2011 mips GNU/Linux I've got wndr3800 too, and moreover I don't use it

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Andrew Haines wrote: On 01/30/12 07:19, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Nikolai Zhubr wrote: Hi, 29.01.2012 19:32, Jy V: [...] on the WNDR3800 the OpenWRT installed gives root@OpenWrt:~# uname -a Linux OpenWrt 2.6.32.27 #5 Wed Dec 21 01:59:33 CET 2011 mips GNU/Linux I've got wndr3800 too, and

[fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Jy V
Hello to all possible interested MIPS hackers, as I read the wiki page http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Native_MIPS_Systems it looks like actual status of FPC for MIPS is a little behind the head development and stalled at some point as described by Mark, I do plan to use FPC for MIPS with

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Main problem with MIPS is to get hands on a reasonable development system (full fledged unix like Debian Linux, *BSD, CPU in the range of 1 GHz, 128 MB or more RAM, at least 1 GB of HD/SSD). Cross compiling is possible of course, but it makes testing and bug fixing very tedious. If ssh to such a

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Jy V
Thank you Florian to have jumped a fast answer on my email, the device I have tested at this time is NetGear WNDR3800, which is a 680MHz MIPS Atheros, 128MB RAM, with a USB port (possible to plug the latest quad channel Patriot Supersonic to obtain best Disk IOPS possible on the market with large

RE: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Pierre Free Pascal
-Message d'origine- De : fpc-devel-boun...@lists.freepascal.org [mailto:fpc-devel- boun...@lists.freepascal.org] De la part de Mark Morgan Lloyd Envoyé : dimanche 29 janvier 2012 15:19 À : fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org Objet : Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS Florian Klämpfl

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Jy V
Pierre, muller@gcc42:~$ uname -a Linux gcc42 2.6.27.1 #476 Tue Oct 20 14:25:23 CST 2009 mips64 GNU/Linux No idea how that machine would compare to the one we were talking about here. on the WNDR3800 the OpenWRT installed gives root@OpenWrt:~# uname -a Linux OpenWrt 2.6.32.27 #5 Wed Dec 21

RE: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Pierre Free Pascal
...@lists.freepascal.org [mailto:fpc-devel-boun...@lists.freepascal.org] De la part de Jy V Envoyé : dimanche 29 janvier 2012 16:32 À : FPC developers' list Objet : Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS Pierre, muller@gcc42:~$ uname -a Linux gcc42 2.6.27.1 #476 Tue Oct 20 14:25:23 CST 2009 mips64 GNU/Linux

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Jy V
Anyhow, I just discovered that the /home directory is 99% full on that GCC compile farm machine, meaning that only remote tests will be possible L ** ** It seems that lots of developers have the same issue about finding MIPS machines for testing …. Would you

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Pierre Free Pascal wrote: -Message d'origine- De : fpc-devel-boun...@lists.freepascal.org [mailto:fpc-devel- boun...@lists.freepascal.org] De la part de Mark Morgan Lloyd Envoyé : dimanche 29 janvier 2012 15:19 À : fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org Objet : Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

RE: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Pierre Free Pascal
Questions: It seems like GNU AS has a different MUPS syntax as traditional MIPS assembler, but I didn't find precise information about this; Could someone give me some pointers? I don't think I've got access to any MIPS as other than gas, but if necessary I could put the disc that

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Main problem with MIPS is to get hands on a reasonable development system (full fledged unix like Debian Linux, *BSD, CPU in the range of 1 GHz, 128 MB or more RAM, at least 1 GB of HD/SSD). Cross compiling is What

Re: [fpc-devel] Bounty for MIPS

2012-01-29 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 29 January 2012 17:52, Pierre Free Pascal wrote: It seems that lots of developers have the same issue about finding MIPS machines for testing …. What about contacting the main developer of OpenBSD. I can't remember his name, but I believe he lives in Canada or something. Anyway, I saw a