'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
from earlier post
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone really say its a simple, painless, and quick process to
transition from unstructured framemaker to either structured
: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
Further to Matt's comments, I do conversion for clients, but usually 1000's of
pages at a time, and sometimes it's Word, Frame, or
sloppy Frame source content. In almost all cases we look for patterns. If they
can be id'd then we
-
From: Alison Craig [mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com]
Sent: April-30-10 13:52
To: Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter); 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph
Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
BTW, with a system in place we
(Publishing
Smarter)
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:53 PM
To: 'Alison Craig'; 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker
Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
The we in this case is a company we. So it was me. And one part time
resource who
documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
Just yesterday I dove again into the Frame 7.2 structure folder, looked at
all of the files - DTD, EDD, MOD, etc. Started reading the XML cookbook, and
you know what? It's just not worth it to me as a solo writer.
Copy and paste is easy and free
...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
from earlier post
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone
[mailto:m...@grafixtraining.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:42 PM
To: 'Ed'; 'Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)'; 'Alison Craig';
'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
The question isn't/wasn't whether or not to structure
: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
Matt-
People are asking why it's so hard to convert. My point is that for many
solo writers, it's hard to propose a conversion to management, and get
buy-in, especially when there's doc to write that's currently being
delivered just
Hi Ed,
I think you have too many experts in your list. Many of us learned the steps
as novices. For example,
An expert to create an EDD and/or DTD.
You can learn to create an EDD by reading the FrameMaker documentation. If
you are going to use DITA, FrameMaker comes with an EDD that you can
wanted it badly enough to do it anyway.
Nadine
--- On Fri, 4/30/10, Ed hamonwr...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Ed hamonwr...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
To: 'Matt Sullivan' m...@grafixtraining.com, 'Bernard Aschwanden
(Publishing
I'll look at this incrementally.
-=Ed.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:01 PM
To: 'Ed'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
Hi Ed,
I think you have too many
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:15:17 -0400, Ed hamonwr...@hotmail.com wrote:
I went to an XSL class and was completely lost. Maybe it's changed since
then, but XSL spooked me pretty well. I enjoy hacking XML and CSS, so maybe
I'll look at this incrementally.
You aren't the only one who finds XSLT
: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone really say its a simple, painless, and quick process to
transition from unstructured framemaker to either structured or dita?
Sincerely,
Joseph
ph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
Further to Matt's comments, I do conversion for clients, but usually 1000's of
pages at a time, and sometimes it's Word, Frame, or
sloppy Frame source content. In almost all cases we look fo
nard
-Original Message-
From: Alison Craig [mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com]
Sent: April-30-10 13:52
To: Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter); 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph
Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
&
n Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing
> Smarter)
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:53 PM
> To: 'Alison Craig'; 'Matt Sullivan'; 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker
Forum'
> Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
>
> The "we" in this c
documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
Just yesterday I dove again into the Frame 7.2 structure folder, looked at
all of the files - DTD, EDD, MOD, etc. Started reading the XML cookbook, and
you know what? It's just not worth it to me as a solo writer.
Copy and paste is easy and free
at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone really say its
llivan [mailto:matt at grafixtraining.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:42 PM
> To: 'Ed'; 'Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)'; 'Alison Craig';
> 'FrameMaker Forum'
> Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
>
> The question isn't/wasn't whe
Maker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
Matt-
People are asking why it's so hard to convert. My point is that for many
solo writers, it's hard to propose a conversion to management, and get
buy-in, especially when there's doc to write that's curre
Hi Ed,
I think you have too many experts in your list. Many of us learned the steps
as novices. For example,
>An expert to create an EDD and/or DTD.
You can learn to create an EDD by reading the FrameMaker documentation. If
you are going to use DITA, FrameMaker comes with an EDD that you can
wanted it badly enough to do it anyway.
Nadine
--- On Fri, 4/30/10, Ed wrote:
> From: Ed
> Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies)
> To: "'Matt Sullivan'" , "'Bernard Aschwanden
> (Publishing Smarter)'" , "'A
I'll look at this incrementally.
-=Ed.
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Quatro [mailto:rick at rickquatro.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:01 PM
> To: 'Ed'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
> Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
>
> Hi
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:15:17 -0400, "Ed" wrote:
>I went to an XSL class and was completely lost. Maybe it's changed since
>then, but XSL spooked me pretty well. I enjoy hacking XML and CSS, so maybe
>I'll look at this incrementally.
You aren't the only one who finds XSLT challenging! I've
been
I had high hopes for Buzzword when Adobe bought it, but rather than making
it a Word-killer they have slowed down the release cycle, added things I
don't care about, and been a bummer in general. I think they have too many
products and aren't supporting the really good ones like they should be.
from earlier post
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone really say its a simple, painless, and quick process to
transition from unstructured framemaker to either structured or dita?
Sincerely,
Joseph Lorenzini
-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
from earlier post
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:23:54 -0700, Matt Sullivan
m...@grafixtraining.com
wrote:
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host
of third party plugins can anyone really say its a simple,
painless, and quick process to transition from unstructured
framemaker to either structured or
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:25 PM
To: 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: Re: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:23:54 -0700, Matt Sullivan
m...@grafixtraining.com
wrote:
While
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:54:08 -0700, Matt Sullivan
m...@grafixtraining.com wrote:
As a point of correction...
I didn't state the para you've attributed to me
and I *do not* agree with it.
Ah. You were quoting it. I didn't notice that,
because you had omitted the usual top attribution
to the
I had high hopes for Buzzword when Adobe bought it, but rather than making
it a Word-killer they have slowed down the release cycle, added things I
don't care about, and been a bummer in general. I think they have too many
products and aren't supporting the really good ones like they should be.
While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host of third party plugins
can anyone really say its a simple, painless, and quick process to
transition from unstructured framemaker to either structured or dita?
Sincerely,
Joseph Lorenzini
___
Hi
-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'Joseph Lorenzini'; 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: RE: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
While there's
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:23:54 -0700, "Matt Sullivan"
wrote:
>While there's structured framemaker, dita, and a host
>of third party plugins can anyone really say its a simple,
>painless, and quick process to transition from unstructured
>framemaker to either structured or dita?
They can say
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:25 PM
To: 'FrameMaker Forum'
Subject: Re: Structuring documents (was RE: Adobe's New Corporate
Strategies)
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:23:54 -0700, "Matt Sullivan"
wrote:
>While there
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:54:08 -0700, "Matt Sullivan"
wrote:
>As a point of correction...
>
>I didn't state the para you've attributed to me
>and I *do not* agree with it.
Ah. You were quoting it. I didn't notice that,
because you had omitted the usual top attribution
to the author, Joseph
So Chris,
If we extend your prehistoric analogy, Adobe has become like the semi-
stationary sauropod who's legs are so vast that it must stand in one
place and swings its great neck to reach the greenest morsels. The
reach of its head and mouth are limited to the extent and range of
motion
esentation of big business in general. Did
> you watch Food Inc the other day? Talk about dinosaurs!
>
> cud
>
>
> From: Alan T Litchfield
> To: Chris Despopoulos
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 5:19:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Adobe's
My two cents...if only that:
So what is it we seek?
and
Does Adobe Systems listen?
As for me, I'm perfectly content with the latest version of Frame. I can only
take so much
technology upgrade.
Opinion is my own.
>From New York
Eduardo
RE the good ole days when men were men and software was innovative.
What we're witnessing is a natural part of any innovative curve. Back when
FrameMaker first made waves, you could subscribe to three different magazines
that printed monthly articles about new and interesting software.
So Chris,
If we extend your prehistoric analogy, Adobe has become like the semi-
stationary sauropod who's legs are so vast that it must stand in one
place and swings its great neck to reach the greenest morsels. The
reach of its head and mouth are limited to the extent and range of
? Talk about dinosaurs!
cud
From: Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz
To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 5:19:14 PM
Subject: Re: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies
So Chris,
If we extend your prehistoric analogy
On 4/26/10 7:07 AM, Chris Despopoulos wrote:
And with desktop software. The next wave (you heard it here) is servers and
services. Currently, the software innovation I'm aware of is in managing networks,
whether managing an array of devices and applications, streams of financial data,
or
RE the good ole days when men were men and software was innovative.
What we're witnessing is a natural part of any innovative curve. Back when
FrameMaker first made waves, you could subscribe to three different magazines
that printed monthly articles about new and interesting software.
the other day? Talk about dinosaurs!
cud
From: Alan T Litchfield <a...@alphabyte.co.nz>
To: Chris Despopoulos
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 5:19:14 PM
Subject: Re: Adobe's New Corporate Strategies
So Chris,
If we
On 4/26/10 7:07 AM, Chris Despopoulos wrote:
> And with desktop software. The next wave (you heard it here) is servers and
> services. Currently, the software innovation I'm aware of is in managing
> networks, whether managing an array of devices and applications, streams of
> financial
Reposting this to the frame list serve for people who aren't on HATT.
===
Hi Jeremy,
Let me say at the outset that I really like Adobe products. I think
FrameMaker and Robohelp are good products and that they serve most technical
writer's needs at
It's just that having an MBA doesn't automatically qualify you to lead
or even manage a company. The people in charge nowdays have lost sight
of what their bottom line is. They rely solely upon the bean counters to
tell them, when that is only the current line expense.
I'm waiting for the
Reposting this to the frame list serve for people who aren't on HATT.
===
Hi Jeremy,
Let me say at the outset that I really like Adobe products. I think
FrameMaker and Robohelp are good products and that they serve most technical
writer's needs at
It's just that having an MBA doesn't automatically qualify you to lead
or even manage a company. The people in charge nowdays have lost sight
of what their bottom line is. They rely solely upon the bean counters to
tell them, when that is only the current line expense.
I'm waiting for the
Interesting article today in the Silicon Valley Insider:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-underlying-story-behind-adobes-failed-mobile-strategy-2010-4
It's nominally about Adobe's mobile strategy, but applies
to the entire corporate culture and how it has changed.
I really miss Doc Warnock...
Isn't this the story of every place you've worked for the last 10
years almost? Since the salad days of spend-all-the-money-you-can? I
feel almost like Pinocchio being duped into going to Donkey Island ...
hi diddly dee, the high tech life for me...
And now all the leaders of our companies can
Interesting article today in the Silicon Valley Insider:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-underlying-story-behind-adobes-failed-mobile-strategy-2010-4
It's nominally about Adobe's mobile strategy, but applies
to the entire corporate culture and how it has changed.
I really miss Doc Warnock...
Isn't this the story of every place you've worked for the last 10
years almost? Since the salad days of spend-all-the-money-you-can? I
feel almost like Pinocchio being duped into going to Donkey Island ...
hi diddly dee, the high tech life for me...
And now all the "leaders" of our companies can
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