Merhaba,

İkinci ihtimalde bahsedilen "open_idle_transaction_timeout" gibi bir
değişkenin ileride eklenmesinin düşünüldüğü. Ama atlamış
olabileceğiniz asıl nokta burada kullandığınız yazılımın
"transactionların" bir kısmını gereksiz yere "idle" tuttuğudur.

Kolay Gelsin,
Kerem




On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Bayram KARAGOZ
<bayram.kara...@empatiq.com> wrote:
>
> merhaba
>
> freebsd üzerine kurulu iki farklı sunucudaki iki ayrı postgresql veritabanını 
> slony ile replikasyon işlemine tabii tuttum. replikasyonun yapılmasında 
> herhangi bir problem yok. master sunucuda yaptığım her türlü işlem anında 
> slave veritabanına da ekleniyor. fakat bir süre sonra master sunucuda cpu ve 
> io yükselmesi meydana geliyor. süreçleri incelediğimde master üzerinde 
> çalışan bir processin bu probleme sebep olduğunun farkına vardım. bu süreç 
> sürekli çalıştığı zaman veritabanına yapılan diğer sorgularda takılmalar 
> meydana geliyor ve bazen sorgu cevapları çok geç geliyor. bu süreci 
> sonlandırdığım zaman tekrar sunucu eski haline dönüyor fakat replikasyon 
> işlemi hata veriyor. çalışan süreç aşağıda gösterilmektedir.
>
> ön bilgi;
>
> master sunucu ip : 10.0.10.231
> slave sunucu ip    : 10.0.10.232
>
>
> sippy=# SELECT procpid,client_addr, current_query,query_start from 
> pg_stat_activity where current_query NOT LIKE '<IDLE>';
> procpid | client_addr |                                                   
> current_query                                                    |          
> query_start
> ---------+-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------------------------------
>    84329 | 10.0.10.232 | fetch 100 from 
> LOG;                                                                                               
>  | 2009-03-25 13:05:57.007739+02
>
>
> yukarıda gösterilen süreç slave sunucu tarafından gönderilen bir istek olduğu 
> client_addr kısmında gösteriliyor. ( fetch 100 from LOG; ) sorgusuyla alakalı 
> slony FAQ da araştırma yaptığımda bu problemin birkaç sebepten 
> kaynaklanabileceği söyleniyor;
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> 14. Some nodes start consistently falling behind
>
> I have been running Slony-I on a node for a while, and am seeing system 
> performance suffering.
>
> I'm seeing long running queries of the form:
>
> fetch 100 from LOG;
>
> This can be characteristic of pg_listener (which is the table containing 
> NOTIFY data) having plenty of dead tuples in it. That makes NOTIFY events 
> take a long time, and causes the affected node to gradually fall further and 
> further behind.
>
> You quite likely need to do a VACUUM FULL on pg_listener, to vigorously clean 
> it out, and need to vacuum pg_listener really frequently. Once every five 
> minutes would likely be AOK.
>
> Slon daemons already vacuum a bunch of tables, and cleanup_thread.c contains 
> a list of tables that are frequently vacuumed automatically. In Slony-I 
> 1.0.2, pg_listener is not included. In 1.0.5 and later, it is regularly 
> vacuumed, so this should cease to be a direct issue.
>
> There is, however, still a scenario where this will still "bite." Under MVCC, 
> vacuums cannot delete tuples that were made "obsolete" at any time after the 
> start time of the eldest transaction that is still open. Long running 
> transactions will cause trouble, and should be avoided, even on subscriber 
> nodes.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> anladığım kadarıyla replikasyon işlemiyle alakalı NOTIFY bilgileri sürekli 
> olarak pg_listener tablosunda tutuluyor ve güncelleniyor. bu sebepten bu 
> tabloda dead tuple lar oluşuyor. bu yüzden bu tablonun yaklaşık 5 dk bir 
> vacuum lanması gerektiği söyleniyor. fakat slony 1.0.5 ve sonra versiyonlar 
> bu işi kendisi yapıyor deniyor. benim kullandığım slony versiyonu 1.2.11. bu 
> yüzden bu ihtimalin olması imkansız gibi görünüyor.
>
> sippy=# SELECT * from pg_listener ;
>    relname    | listenerpid | notification
> --------------+-------------+--------------
> _ssp_Restart |       85920 |            0
> (1 row)
>
>
> pkg_version -v |grep slony
> slony1-1.2.11                       <   needs updating (port has 1.2.15)
>
> pkg_version -v |grep postgre*
> postgresql-client-8.2.5_1           <   needs updating (port has 8.2.12)
> postgresql-server-8.2.5_2           <   needs updating (port has 8.2.12)
>
>
> 2. neden olarak aşağıdaki ihtimalden bahsediliyor;
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 25. Replication has been slowing down, I'm seeing FETCH 100 FROM LOG queries 
> running for a long time, sl_log_1 is growing, and performance is, well, 
> generally getting steadily worse.
>
>
> There are actually a number of possible causes for this sort of thing. There 
> is a question involving similar pathology where the problem is that 
> pg_listener grows because it is not vacuumed.
>
> Another " proximate cause " for this growth is for there to be a connection 
> connected to the node that sits IDLE IN TRANSACTION for a very long time.
>
> That open transaction will have multiple negative effects, all of which will 
> adversely affect performance:
>
> Vacuums on all tables, including pg_listener, will not clear out dead tuples 
> from before the start of the idle transaction.
>
> The cleanup thread will be unable to clean out entries in sl_log_1 and 
> sl_seqlog, with the result that these tables will grow, ceaselessly, until 
> the transaction is closed.
>
> You can monitor for this condition inside the database only if the PostgreSQL 
> postgresql.conf parameter stats_command_string is set to true. If that is 
> set, then you may submit the query select * from pg_stat_activity where 
> current_query like '%IDLE% in transaction'; which will find relevant activity.
>
>
> You should also be able to search for " idle in transaction " in the process 
> table to find processes that are thus holding on to an ancient transaction.
>
>
> It is also possible (though rarer) for the problem to be a transaction that 
> is, for some other reason, being held open for a very long time. The 
> query_start time in pg_stat_activity may show you some query that has been 
> running way too long.
>
>
> There are plans for PostgreSQL to have a timeout parameter, 
> open_idle_transaction_timeout , which would cause old transactions to time 
> out after some period of disuse.
>
> Buggy connection pool logic is a common culprit for this sort of thing. There 
> are plans for pgpool to provide a better alternative, eventually, where 
> connections would be shared inside a connection pool implemented in C. You 
> may have some more or less buggy connection pool in your Java or PHP 
> application; if a small set of real connections are held in pgpool, that will 
> hide from the database the fact that the application imagines that numerous 
> of them are left idle in transaction for hours at a time.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
> buradaki ihtimalde IDLE IN TRANSACTION süreçlerinin uzun süreli olarak devam 
> etmesinden kaynaklanabileceğinden bahsediliyor. bu ihtimale istinaden 
> veritabanında inceleme yaptığımda gerçekten bu süreçlerin sayısının fazla 
> olduğunu gördüm. fakat bu süreçleri sonlandırabileceğim yukarıda bahsedilen 
> open_idle_transaction_timeout süresi henüz postgresql.conf da yok.
>
> sippy=# SELECT procpid,client_addr, current_query,query_start from 
> pg_stat_activity where current_query NOT LIKE '<IDLE>';
> procpid | client_addr |                                                   
> current_query                                                    |          
> query_start
> ---------+-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------------------------------
>      918 | 10.0.10.232 | <IDLE> in 
> transaction                                                                                             
>  | 2009-03-25 12:06:15.382207+02
>      779 |             | <IDLE> in 
> transaction                                                                                             
>  | 2009-03-23 11:03:19.764812+02
>      780 |             | <IDLE> in 
> transaction                                                                                             
>  | 2009-03-23 11:03:19.767793+02
>      781 |             | <IDLE> in 
> transaction                                                                                             
>  | 2009-03-23 11:03:19.770713+02
>      782 |             | <IDLE> in 
> transaction                                                                                             
>  | 2009-03-23 11:03:19.773612+02
>      783 |             | <IDLE> in 
> transaction                                                                                             
>  | 2009-03-23 11:03:19.776419+02
>      887 |             | <IDLE> in 
> transaction                                                                                             
>  | 2009-03-23 11:03:23.910591+02
>    52027 |             | SELECT procpid,client_addr, 
> current_query,query_start from pg_stat_activity where current_query NOT LIKE 
> '<IDLE>'; | 2009-03-25 12:06:38.773785+02
>
>
> bu konuda çözüm olarak ne yapabilirim. 2. ihtimalde pgpool adında postgresql 
> için connection pool hakkında tooldan bahsedilmiş. biraz inceledim bu 
> uygulamayı denemeden önce sizlere sormak istedim. ayrıca 2. ihtimaldeki 
> çözümleri tam anlamamışta olabilirim. fikirlerinizi bekliyorum. şimdiden 
> teşekkürler.


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