Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem

hi isn't it always about the whereabouts in time and/or (by california law) *being at the same time at the exact same place* could be sex or (without and) brawl. decision is y/ours/mine - with or without coc from heaven on sunday martin On 18/03/2018 08:35, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > >

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Hi, On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:12:44 +1100 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > [trimming -current@, which is really not appropriate] > > On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 12:40:56 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 + > > Kate Dawson

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Hi, On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:43:47 +0100 "Meixner, Johannes" wrote: > You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria. and Alaska. Erich ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list

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You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria. Anyway, back to the matter at hand: If things are so bad, how come nobody filed a Community Proposal to rephrase the code of conduct into a more value-neutral language? ... or, like, a diff to the docs tree? I would really like this list

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Hi, On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 + Kate Dawson wrote: > Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... > "Trolling" it just shows your low education level. You could have checked maps.google.com. But you did not. Erich > > xxx > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018

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[trimming -current@, which is really not appropriate] On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 12:40:56 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 + > Kate Dawson wrote: > >> Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... >> "Trolling" > > it

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Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know... "Trolling" xxx On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 07:21:44AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I > bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. >

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Hi, just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now. Erich ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To

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Sing it, Geheimnisse! Tom On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:31 PM Geheimnisse wrote: > I really cannot wait until all of the people flipping their shit about the > new CoC go back to not tending to their neck hair and tipping their > fedoras. Oh, excuse me, trilby hats or

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Hi, Reference: > From: Ted Hatfield > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:52:27 -0600 (CST) Ted Hatfield wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Federico Caminiti wrote: > > 2018-03-08 14:07 GMT-03:00 Mike Oliver, KT2T : > > > >> > >> Surely, there is overlap among those

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Hi, Reference: > From: Geheimnisse > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 14:31:28 -0500 Geheimnisse wrote: > Nope, Not a troll. Troll, added to my black list. If it has been seen trolling wider, others might report it to postmas...@freebsd.org &/or

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Geheimnisse, you are *both* using words from the asshole lexicon and conducting yourselves poorly. I don't think anyone wants to hear you go on about your "alt-right" boogyman any more than we want to hear others go on about their "SJW" boogyman. This whole thing is difficult enough as it is,

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On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Federico Caminiti wrote: 2018-03-08 14:07 GMT-03:00 Mike Oliver, KT2T : Surely, there is overlap among those who want to use FreeBSD and those who are embarrassed for the project given how the CoC has been received, and in that overlap group I can see how

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2018-03-08 14:07 GMT-03:00 Mike Oliver, KT2T : > > Surely, there is overlap among those who want to use FreeBSD and those > who are embarrassed for the project given how the CoC has been received, > and in that overlap group I can see how some would perceive the CoC as >

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Nope, Not a troll. Just protecting myself from alt-right creeps. Let's see, where to begin? Unironically using the term "cuck" as in "CuckBSD". Check. Unironically using the term "red pill". Check. Both of which are exclusively part of the alt-right lexicon. So, FreeBSD may have a politics

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On 03/07/2018 21:48, Julian Zottl wrote: > So I'll ask a stupid question: Why not base it off of the millions of CoC's > already out there? > https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html > is a good start. Yes, it's a commercial company, but it could easily be > modified. > > The

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On 2018-03-08T17:49:53+0200, Sander Vesik wrote: Jesus Christ, can you stop being such a complete faggot. People like you are causing a mockery of FreeBSD, which is now getting called "CuckBSD" by the very people you want to be using this OS Well, no, I am fairly certain you are wrong on this

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> I really cannot wait until all of the people flipping their shit about the > new CoC go back to not tending to their neck hair and tipping their fedoras. > Oh, excuse me, trilby hats or whatever they may be. > > Nobody cares aside from a handful of neckbeards, and nobody will care in >

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us. > > Oh, mailed under your pseudonym account because we alt-right types like to > stalk and harrass people. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Geheimnisse geheimnisse@gmail.com wrote: > > > Received: from dunkelheit (\[23.226.128.30\]) > > > > F

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> Mailed under an a pseudonym account because Troll. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Brexit Referendum stole 3,700,000 votes, inc. 700,000 from British in EU. UK Govt. lied it's "democratic" in Article 50 letter to EU paragraph

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> Jesus Christ, can you stop being such a complete faggot. People like you > are causing a mockery of FreeBSD, which is now getting called "CuckBSD" by > the very people you want to be using this OS Well, no, I am fairly certain you are wrong on this part.

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iled under your pseudonym account because we alt-right types like to stalk and harrass people. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Geheimnisse <geheimnisse@gmail.com> wrote: >Received: from dunkelheit ([23.226.128.30]) >From: Geheimnisse <geheimnisse....@gmail.com> >Subj

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I really cannot wait until all of the people flipping their shit about the new CoC go back to not tending to their neck hair and tipping their fedoras. Oh, excuse me, trilby hats or whatever they may be. Seriously, the new CoC is the opposite of news. Unless you plan to harrass others online,

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So I'll ask a stupid question: Why not base it off of the millions of CoC's already out there? https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html is a good start. Yes, it's a commercial company, but it could easily be modified. The CoC as it stands is ridiculous. Here is my contribution

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Mark Linimon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:46:59PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > I agree with the other person's thoughts that FreeBSD fixes uncommited > > for years destroys incentive to file more fixes. > > I do not know anyone who disagrees with this. > > The issue is how to get

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On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 05:17:59PM -0500, Stephen Cook wrote: > On 2018-03-05 15:51, Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 02:48:26PM -0500, Stephen Cook wrote: > >> The problem with the Foundation sponsoring a CoC is that a small group > >> of extremists forced their way in to generate

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On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:46:59PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > I agree with the other person's thoughts that FreeBSD fixes uncommited > for years destroys incentive to file more fixes. I do not know anyone who disagrees with this. The issue is how to get people involved with this utterly

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Read https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html > It's a mess of some sense & some ridiculous, force fed to FreeBSD. > Expect some not to like force feeding, or proponents thereof. > Expect forceful

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H7CGnZTm2mPFhuBKYldVo > >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"YJ0tBWvLQToy5jfzJdV74lsXFyK= > kOJvV1"; > >> protected-headers=3D"v1" > >> From: Bryan Drewery <bdrew...@freebsd.org> > >> To: "Julian H. Stacey" <j..

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On 2018-03-05 15:51, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 02:48:26PM -0500, Stephen Cook wrote: >> The problem with the Foundation sponsoring a CoC is that a small group >> of extremists forced their way in to generate and implement their own >> set of rules, secretly. > > This is

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On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 02:48:26PM -0500, Stephen Cook wrote: > The problem with the Foundation sponsoring a CoC is that a small group > of extremists forced their way in to generate and implement their own > set of rules, secretly. This is exactly not what happened. > I suspect from the lack of

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On 2018-03-05 12:51, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 3/4/2018 5:13 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> d...@freebsdfoundation.org wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> This is Deb Goodkin, Executive Director for the FreeBSD Foundation. The >>> Foundation isn't responsible for the CoC, that would be the FreeBSD >>>

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protected-headers="v1" >> From: Bryan Drewery <bdrew...@freebsd.org> >> To: "Julian H. Stacey" <j...@berklix.com>, d...@freebsdfoundation.org >> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> Message-ID: <bf158178-ef20-5165-da34-839c1df79...@free

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eebsd.org> > To: "Julian H. Stacey" <j...@berklix.com>, d...@freebsdfoundation.org > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <bf158178-ef20-5165-da34-839c1df79...@freebsd.org> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem > References: <20180305

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On 3/4/2018 5:13 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > d...@freebsdfoundation.org wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> This is Deb Goodkin, Executive Director for the FreeBSD Foundation. The >> Foundation isn't responsible for the CoC, that would be the FreeBSD >> Project's core team. Please don't spread

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On 3/4/2018 10:40 PM, Franco Fichtner wrote: > Hi there, > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 10:02 PM, Jeff Roberson wrote: >> >> First of all this is really not an appropriate forum for this discussion. > Nobody discusses it elsewhere. "Decisions" are made between closed doors. >

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I knew this would be end result of that coc(k) being whipped out. Also, I'm sure that it's not feminism you hate, it's that some idiots hide under that blanket and imagine they can't be attacked anymore. Why did that need for a new set of weird rules come out anyway? Right now it feels like

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Hi there, > On 4. Mar 2018, at 10:02 PM, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > First of all this is really not an appropriate forum for this discussion. Nobody discusses it elsewhere. "Decisions" are made between closed doors. How anyone would think this doesn't blow up later is

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On 2018-03-04 20:13, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > d...@freebsdfoundation.org wrote: >> Someone else on this thread can hopefully >> direct you to the correct mailing list for discussing your concerns >> regarding the Code of Conduct. Where? > Did the foundation pay for it ? I would like to know

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d...@freebsdfoundation.org wrote: > Hi David, > > This is Deb Goodkin, Executive Director for the FreeBSD Foundation. The > Foundation isn't responsible for the CoC, that would be the FreeBSD > Project's core team. Please don't spread mis-information about the > Foundation censoring discussions.

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> My money may not be a sponsorship money but still donated; on belief what > FreeBSD was doing right. Can I get a refund. Did the foundation really waste money on this ? https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html Bulleted elements are a bad mix of sensible & ridiculous. A

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Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 15:25 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem Jeff, Please direct me where discussion is suppose to take place. Seeing as the foundation wants to censor such discussion posts. Pretty calm here but its irritating

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On 3/4/2018 2:24 PM, David Fox wrote: > Jeff, Please direct me where discussion is suppose to take place. Seeing as > the foundation wants to censor such discussion posts. Pretty calm here but > its irritating that there is no channel, even official to discuss. Note that Jeff's response was to

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Jeff, Please direct me where discussion is suppose to take place. Seeing as the foundation wants to censor such discussion posts. Pretty calm here but its irritating that there is no channel, even official to discuss. > On 04 March 2018 at 20:45 David Fox wrote: > > > As a

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Hi John, First of all this is really not an appropriate forum for this discussion. It is really unfortunate that these emails were leaked. However, I think if you take a careful look at them, you will find a couple examples of hostility but the great preponderance of them are quite

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On Sat, 03 Mar 2018 17:30:14 -0500 John Darrah wrote: > FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that > developers and members must adhere to. There has been much backlash > online about it and about introducing identity politics into a > technical OS

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Darrah <timmcgraw...@protonmail.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem John, A good portion of your original email happens to be inaccurate or misleading.  In the spirit of good faith discussion, I'm going to assume

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John, A good portion of your original email happens to be inaccurate or misleading. In the spirit of good faith discussion, I'm going to assume you're just accidentally misinformed, and not willfully misrepresenting things. So, some corrections and clarifications follow. If you have further