Re: vkernel GSoC, some questions

2008-03-19 Thread Jeremie Le Hen
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:42:57AM +0200, Jordan Gordeev wrote: vkernel is similar to User Mode Linux technology. You can boot vkernel as a user mode process. I think it will be good to have similar in FreeBSD. There are several links:

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Murray Stokely wrote: The FreeBSD Project was again accepted as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code. The student application period will begin next week so if you have any ideas for great student projects, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or post

Re: vkernel GSoC, some questions

2008-03-19 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hi, Sorry for jumping in here, but I've seen several people talking about that 5 seconds to reboot thing ... Are you aware that a standard FreeBSD kernel also takes just 5 seconds to reboot within qemu? And that's even when _not_ using the kqemu accelerator module. I've used qemu a lot for

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:43:49PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: I have 4 computers, 1 big FreeBSD-current (4 x86 procs), 2 GentooLinux (1 is a dial AMD Opteron, the other a dual older x86), and 1 MacOSX (dual PPC). I was

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Moran wrote: In response to Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have 4 computers, 1 big FreeBSD-current (4 x86 procs), 2 GentooLinux (1 is a dial AMD Opteron, the other a dual older x86), and 1

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:01:45PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: What is most important in my considerations are, how might it to possible to stretch our present smp software to be able to extend the management domains to cover multiple computers? Some sort of a bridge here, because there is no

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:01:45PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: What is most important in my considerations are, how might it to possible to stretch our present smp software to be able to extend the management domains to cover

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could answer me one quiestion, then I would probably know for sure. What is the difference between our SMP and the general idea of clustering, as typified by Beowulf? I was under the impression I was

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could answer me one quiestion, then I would probably know for sure. What is the difference between our SMP and the general idea of

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Julian Elischer
Chuck Robey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could answer me one quiestion, then I would probably know for sure. What is the difference between our SMP and

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:01:45PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: What is most important in my considerations are, how might it to possible to stretch our present

Asynchronous syscalls for massive concurrency

2008-03-19 Thread Peter Schuller
Hello, Reading the recent thread on -current regarding dropping KSE and the evolution of application design with respect to concurrency, prompted me to want to ask what people think regarding the desirability and/or feasability of making FreeBSD support an asynchronous interface to *all* system

Re: Building in /usr/src copied to $HOME

2008-03-19 Thread Max Laier
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 05:36:47 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2008-03-18 21:28, V??clav Haisman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to use /usr/src copied to my $HOME but the build process doesn't want to work. For example when I try build /bin/cp I get the following:

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Kris Kennaway
Robert Watson wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Murray Stokely wrote: The FreeBSD Project was again accepted as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code. The student application period will begin next week so if you have any ideas for great student projects, please send them to

Re: Asynchronous syscalls for massive concurrency

2008-03-19 Thread Julian Elischer
Peter Schuller wrote: Hello, Reading the recent thread on -current regarding dropping KSE and the evolution of application design with respect to concurrency, prompted me to want to ask what people think regarding the desirability and/or feasability of making FreeBSD support an asynchronous

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:10:12 -0400 Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not completely yet (I tend to be stubborn, if I carry this too far, tell me in private mail and I will politely drop it). Your use cases show me the differences in size, and *because* of the size, the differences in how

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:11 +0100 Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A system that is written to work in a clustered environment can fairly easily be moved to run on an SMP machine, but it will do a lot of work that is not necessary under SMP and thus not make very good use of the

Re: Asynchronous syscalls for massive concurrency

2008-03-19 Thread Peter Schuller
KSE's asynchronous system calls could be used to do what you suggest however it turns out that if you are going to do this you probably want to do it in a way where the program is aware of what is going on, so the ability to make all syscalls TRANSPARENTLY ASYNCHRONOUS is not really a

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:17:21PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote: You can also come up with your own project ideas if we have missed one :) I've got one: Implement wake on lan support for every ethernet device driver in the tree. ifconfig in -CURRENT already supports configuring WOL, but there's

Re: vkernel GSoC, some questions

2008-03-19 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Matthew Dillon wrote: : :Matt, :... : :Don't you use something like VMWare for development and debugging? : : We use vkernel's for development and debugging. Pretty much everything : except hardware device driver development can be done using a vkernel... : :Does that include trying

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Christian Laursen
Stefan Sperling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:17:21PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote: You can also come up with your own project ideas if we have missed one :) I've got one: Implement wake on lan support for every ethernet device driver in the tree. I like that idea. I

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:31:24 -0700 Julian Elischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could answer me one