On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 11:49:48AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Hi,
Reference:
From: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:07:40 +0200
Message-id: 201109020107.p8217efj089...@fire.js.berklix.net
I wrote:
Microsoft must grin at all
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
Hi!
http://pkgin.net/
[...]
pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
[...]
So, what do you actually mean by this?
Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeBSD, so that
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 11:49:48AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Hi,
Reference:
From: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com=20
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:07:40 +0200=20
Message-id: 201109020107.p8217efj089...@fire.js.berklix.net=20
(Not replying to any particular post in this thread.)
I think the current ports system in FreeBSD is not bad.
Sure, it could be better (but this would probably require
more manpower, which is a problem in a volunteer project),
but it also could be a *lot* worse.
I know of several people who are
On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
run it regularly after updates
portmaster -s does the same thing.
FYI,
Doug
--
Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much.
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Hi,
Reference:
From: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:07:40 +0200
Message-id: 201109020107.p8217efj089...@fire.js.berklix.net
I wrote:
Microsoft must grin at all us BSD, Linux, maybe Solaris presumably
even now http://www.minix3.org free
On 2 Sep 2011 10:50, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote:
FYI:
http://www.minix3.org -
http://wiki.minix3.org/en/UsersGuide/InstallingBinaryPackages -
http://pkgin.net/
pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
:
* NetBSD 4.0
* NetBSD 5.{0,1}
Hi!
http://pkgin.net/
[...]
pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
[...]
So, what do you actually mean by this?
Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeBSD, so that
pkgin can also be used on FreeBSD ?
If this solves the binary
On 09/02/2011 12:04, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
Hi!
http://pkgin.net/
[...]
pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
[...]
So, what do you actually mean by this?
Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeBSD, so that
pkgin can also be used on
No /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports/ports-mgmt/pkgin .
I'm not familiar with pkgin, but nice to see OS co-operation.
So, what do you actually mean by this?
Re-read:
] Microsoft must grin at all us BSD, Linux,
] ... reinventing similar old ports shims for same old 3rd party
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote:
On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
run it regularly after updates
portmaster -s does the same thing.
Well, sorta. How it chooses what to offer to remove is different.
portmaster -s
Doug Barton wrote:
On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
run it regularly after updates
portmaster -s does the same thing.
No. pkg_cutleaves finds ports that I have installed at some
point in the past and then forgot
Quoting Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de (from Fri, 2 Sep 2011
11:24:16 +0200 (CEST)):
The other extreme are people who run a cron job every night
that updates /usr/ports (*) and runs 400.status-pkg (from
/etc/periodic/weekly), possibly even followed by an automated
update (**). Of
Alexander Leidinger wrote:
Quoting Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de (from Fri, 2 Sep 2011
11:24:16 +0200 (CEST)):
The other extreme are people who run a cron job every night
that updates /usr/ports (*) and runs 400.status-pkg (from
/etc/periodic/weekly), possibly even
On 09/02/2011 06:25, Warren Block wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote:
On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
run it regularly after updates
portmaster -s does the same thing.
Well, sorta. How it chooses what to
Kurt Jaeger li...@opsec.eu wrote:
Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeBSD,
so that pkgin can also be used on FreeBSD ?
Volunteers?
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freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 07:34:56AM +0200, Michal Varga wrote:
- While nobody probably cares much about that guy and his missing
browser images, what would you tell to the GIMP guy? That he should have
waited longer before upgrading the (for him, 30 levels deep) Foo
dependency? With furious
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 04:23 -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 07:34:56AM +0200, Michal Varga wrote:
- While nobody probably cares much about that guy and his missing
browser images, what would you tell to the GIMP guy? That he should have
waited longer before upgrading the
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:47:40 +0200
Michal Varga wrote:
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 04:23 -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
In that case, you should not be updating that rapidly.
I've covered that aspect earlier in the discussion. There is no option
to 'upgrade less rapidly', as at any single point in
Michal,
Nice analogy !
Nobody is really steering this ship anymore and it just happily
rams icebergs along the way, with volunteers occasionally throwing
buckets of water (and sometimes pieces of furniture) overboard to
somehow keep it afloat for a while longer.
Furniture like
Chad Perrin wrote:
Of course, your goal is apparently to
convince me that yours are the correct priorities.
Indeed i think having the correct priorities is essential when choosing
between different options, and i am sincerely convinced that my choices
are shared by a lot more people than yours.
On 30 Aug 2011 10:15, Michel Talon ta...@lpthe.jussieu.fr wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
Of course, your goal is apparently to
convince me that yours are the correct priorities.
Indeed i think having the correct priorities is essential when choosing
between different options, and i am sincerely
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:13:58AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
i went to a store to buy a new laptop, i went with two CDROMs, an Ubuntu
one and a FreeBSD one. Guess which of the two supported the network
controllers in the laptops i tried?
And guess which of them ran binary blobs.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:13:58AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
Of course, your goal is apparently to
convince me that yours are the correct priorities.
Indeed i think having the correct priorities is essential when choosing
between different options, and i am sincerely
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
I think it would be a mistake to believe that we don't have any quality
control at all. I do think it's reasonable to ask whether what we have
is adequate, and if
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Micheas Herman m...@micheas.com wrote:
This is just a brainstorm, but considering the pain that debian QA causes
debian developers, and the orders of magnitude larger task that QAing
the FreeBSD ports tree would be makes me wonder if self reporting wouldn't
be
On 08/28/2011 22:34, Michal Varga wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
I think it would be a mistake to believe that we don't have any quality
control at all. I do think it's reasonable to ask whether what we have
is adequate, and if not, how can it be improved. That's
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 23:30 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
Testing only for Does it still build? won't help much anymore if the
new version silently broke one of the APIs and while Apache still runs
with it fine
Believe it or not, I understand that. :) The problem is that extensive
run-time
On 08/29/2011 00:07, Michal Varga wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 23:30 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
Testing only for Does it still build? won't help much anymore if the
new version silently broke one of the APIs and while Apache still runs
with it fine
Believe it or not, I understand that. :)
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 00:17 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
are unlikely to ever get to that point. I would also point out that from
a project management standpoint developers rarely make good QA people.
To do this right you really would want separate teams.
As I said, that's not something that's in
Am 29.08.2011 02:24, schrieb Jerry:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:26:29 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
You seem to be operating under the assumption that we owe you
something, and that by failing to provide that thing we owe you we
have wronged you somehow. You may wish to take a step back and
on 29/08/2011 10:55 Michal Varga said the following:
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 00:17 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
are unlikely to ever get to that point. I would also point out that from
a project management standpoint developers rarely make good QA people.
To do this right you really would want
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/29/2011 00:07, Michal Varga wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 23:30 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
Testing only for Does it still build? won't help much anymore if
the new version silently broke one of the APIs and while Apache
Chad Perrin said:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
FreeBSD needs to get better in this area, but I seriously doubt it
will
ever be as easy and painless as something like ubuntu.
For a great many use cases, Ubuntu is one of the most painful desktop
user experiences
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Michel Talon ta...@lpthe.jussieu.frwrote:
Any discussion on such subjects should begin by switching off the reality
distortion field. For *my own experience* Ubuntu works perfectly OK, in
particular all the hardware on my laptop works, suspend works, i have
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:44:27PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
Chad Perrin said:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
FreeBSD needs to get better in this area, but I seriously doubt it
will
ever be as easy and painless as something like ubuntu.
For a great many
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:43:14 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
On 8/28/2011 1:54 PM, Michal Varga wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 15:30 -0400, Sahil Tandon wrote:
[...]
Criminal? Indifference? This sort of troll-ish hyperbole is
decidedly unhelpful.
FWIW, I agree with Sahil that this
Including postmaster@ on this since IMO Jerry has earned himself a short
vacation from posting privileges.
On 8/28/2011 3:40 PM, Jerry wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:43:14 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
On 8/28/2011 1:54 PM, Michal Varga wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 15:30 -0400, Sahil Tandon
--On August 28, 2011 6:40:58 PM -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:
I have no problem with that. No one should be forced to update their
system if they choose not to. However, to carry your statement to its
logical conclusion, you should issue a warning that attempting to
update your system
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:26:29 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
Including postmaster@ on this since IMO Jerry has earned himself a
short vacation from posting privileges.
Perhaps you would care to tell me yourself. It could be arranged.
On 8/28/2011 3:40 PM, Jerry wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011
On 08/28/2011 17:24, Jerry wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:26:29 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
Including postmaster@ on this since IMO Jerry has earned himself a
short vacation from posting privileges.
Perhaps you would care to tell me yourself. It could be arranged.
E ... huh? I
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 14:43 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
If you're talking about the recent ruby update, an enormous amount of
work went into that prior to the trigger being pulled in an effort to
make it as smooth as possible. It's unfortunate that in spite of that
effort there were still some
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 08:24:52PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
You have also asked for and I assume received monetary compensation
for your services.
In Doug's case: a small percentage of his contributions over the years
(e.g. for improvements to portmaster, which he had already written).
I'm sure
On 08/28/2011 19:43, Michal Varga wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 14:43 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
If you're talking about the recent ruby update, an enormous amount of
work went into that prior to the trigger being pulled in an effort to
make it as smooth as possible. It's unfortunate that in
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
I think it would be a mistake to believe that we don't have any quality
control at all. I do think it's reasonable to ask whether what we have
is adequate, and if not, how can it be improved. That's why I'm
suggesting the stable ports tree
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