Re: Mystery panic, FreeBSD 7.2-PRE

2011-12-23 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:04:48PM -0700, Charlie Martin wrote: We've got another mystery panic in 7.2-PRE. Upgrading is not an option; however, if this is familiar to anyone, backporting a patch would be. The stack trace is: db_trace_self_wrapper() at 0x8019120a =

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-23 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 23/12/2011 02:56, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Dec 22, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Jeremy Chadwick free...@jdc.parodius.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:44:14AM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: On 12/21/11 19:41, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, while the discussion continued here, some work started at

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:58:46 pm Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:44:14AM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: On 12/21/11 19:41, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, while the discussion continued here, some work started at some other place. Now... in case someone here is

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:00:05AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:58:46 pm Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:44:14AM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: On 12/21/11 19:41, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, while the discussion continued here, some

FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until monday ? I for one do *NOT* relish the idea of updating 50+ boxes this evening and

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Friday, December 23, 2011 11:07:56 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until monday ?

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 12/23/11 5:39 PM, John Baldwin wrote: On Friday, December 23, 2011 11:07:56 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? I mean, couldn't this have waited and

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Joe Holden
So don't update until Monday? The outcome will be the same :) Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
My point (which may or may not be valid) was that if the vulnerabilities remained *undisclosed*, they would have a much lower chance of being exploited. On 12/23/11 5:47 PM, Joe Holden wrote: So don't update until Monday? The outcome will be the same :) Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list,

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Joe Holden
The serious one (telnetd) is already being exploited in the wild, and if you're running telnetd anyway then you can always switch to ssh or acl the port, either way it is a relative non-issue to ignore the update for now... Damien Fleuriot wrote: My point (which may or may not be valid) was

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 12/23/11 5:50 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: On 12/23/2011 10:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? After receiving the fifth security advisory

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 12/23/2011 11:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? The Security Officer explained it was because one of them was being actively exploited.

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 12/23/11 5:54 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? What's the impact for your boxes? Only the BIND exploit concerns me, means that *potentially* servers for my projects

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Shawn Webb
Some people (like me) already knew about the vulnerabilities. And others are already exploiting some of these vulnerabilities. Thanks, Shawn Webb On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: My point (which may or may not be valid) was that if the vulnerabilities

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Bas Smeelen
Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? What's the impact for your boxes? I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until monday ? Best time to exploit is Christmas/holidays I for one do

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Karl Denninger
I happen to APPLAUD the FreeBSD Security team for doing this. I WANT security fixes out as soon as reasonably possible. You're NOT telling the bad guys anything they don't already know, but you ARE making it possible for the good guys to raise shields. A remote root problem is about as bad as

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On 12/23/2011 10:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? After receiving the fifth security advisory in a few moments, you will get a Christmas message from

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote: On Friday, December 23, 2011 11:07:56 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ?

Re: Mystery panic, FreeBSD 7.2-PRE

2011-12-23 Thread Charlie Martin
Thanks, jeremy! On 12/22/2011 05:07 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:04:48PM -0700, Charlie Martin wrote: We've got another mystery panic in 7.2-PRE. Upgrading is not an option; however, if this is familiar to anyone, backporting a patch would be. The stack trace is:

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On 12/23/2011 10:56 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: Also, the chroot issue has been public for some time along with sample exploits. Same with BIND which was fixed some time ago. Judgment call, and I think they made the right call at least from my perspective. It is this chroot issue that bothers me.

Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On topic, where do you guys subscribe to know of these vulns ahead of their release on the ML ? I'm subscribed to the BIND ML but I don't recall seeing an advisory there ahead of today. On 12/23/11 6:03 PM, Shawn Webb wrote: Some people (like me) already knew about the vulnerabilities. And

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-23 Thread O. Hartmann
On 12/23/11 16:24, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:00:05AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:58:46 pm Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:44:14AM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: On 12/21/11 19:41, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, while the

Re: Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Shawn Webb
I usually hear about them from other people. I also subscribe to the full-disclosure mailinglist. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: On topic, where do you guys subscribe to know of these vulns ahead of their release on the ML ? I'm subscribed to the BIND ML

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Bas Smeelen
These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk you're right, these were discussed on the mailinglists also _but_ FreeBSD is not a distribution It is *a complete operating system* Happy holidays Disclaimer:

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith step...@missouri.edu wrote: On 12/23/2011 10:56 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: Also, the chroot issue has been public for some time along with sample exploits. Same with BIND which was fixed some time ago.  Judgment call, and I think they made

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Michael Butler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/23/11 11:53, Karl Denninger wrote: I happen to APPLAUD the FreeBSD Security team for doing this. I WANT security fixes out as soon as reasonably possible. You're NOT telling the bad guys anything they don't already know, but you ARE

Re: Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Bas Smeelen
On topic, where do you guys subscribe to know of these vulns ahead of their release on the ML ? security, stable and questions it has been discussed here and there Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 12/23/2011 12:25 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: It is this chroot issue that bothers me. From my reading of the ftpd man page, if I have anonymous ftp to my server, it seems that I am using chroot with ftpd, and there is no way to stop this happening. Am I correct, or have I

Re: Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 23/12/2011 17:25, Damien Fleuriot wrote: I'm subscribed to the BIND ML but I don't recall seeing an advisory there ahead of today. The BIND vulnerability was discussed on bind-users last month, and updates were pushed to the ports and RELENG_7 and RELENG_8 pretty much straight away.

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Guy Helmer
On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: On 12/23/2011 10:56 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: Also, the chroot issue has been public for some time along with sample exploits. Same with BIND which was fixed some time ago. Judgment call, and I think they made the right call at

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Mike Tancsa m...@sentex.net wrote: On 12/23/2011 12:25 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: It is this chroot issue that bothers me.  From my reading of the ftpd man page, if I have anonymous ftp to my server, it seems that I am using chroot with ftpd, and

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these changes ? ANYBODY Should have by now. Commits usually take about an hour to propagate to the official cvsup servers. Easy enough to tell though -- the advisories have all the version

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these changes ? ANYBODY Should have by now.  Commits usually take about an hour to propagate to the

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread rloefgren
Quoting Mike Tancsa m...@sentex.net: On 12/23/2011 11:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? The Security Officer explained it was because one of them

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Lars Engels
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk you're right, these were discussed on the mailinglists also _but_ FreeBSD is not a distribution It is *a

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-23 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:23:29PM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: On 22 December 2011 11:47, Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu wrote: There is the additional observation in one of my 2008 emails (URLs have been posted) that if you have N+1 cpu-bound jobs with, say, job0 and job1

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk you're right, these were discussed on

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Eitan Adler
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk you're right, these were discussed on

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Dec-23 20:06:10 +0100, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: _but_ FreeBSD is not a distribution It is *a complete operating system* Happy holidays And the D in BSD is for? ;-) FreeBSD is a complete operating system

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-23 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk wrote: On 23/12/2011 02:56, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Dec 22, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Jeremy Chadwick free...@jdc.parodius.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:44:14AM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: On 12/21/11 19:41, Alexander

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Gary Palmer
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:55:35PM +0200, George Kontostanos wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these changes ? ANYBODY Should

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Gary Palmer gpal...@freebsd.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:55:35PM +0200, George Kontostanos wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: Are all cvs

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Shawn Webb
As others have mentioned, you don't _have_ to patch this weekend. All of the vulnerabilities have been [semi-]public knowledge for at least a week. What's the harm in waiting till next week? Just pretend like the patches came in on Tuesday. I, for one, am grateful that FreeBSD has provided

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Shawn Webb latt...@gmail.com wrote: As others have mentioned, you don't _have_ to patch this weekend. All of the vulnerabilities have been [semi-]public knowledge for at least a week. What's the harm in waiting till next week? Just pretend like the patches

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Dec-23 23:40:10 +0200, George Kontostanos gkontos.m...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, and IMHO this was not the proper time for this kind of advisories considering the fact that many companies are in a freeze period. My honeypot logs suggest that the black hats aren't taking a holiday. As

PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=4096?

2011-12-23 Thread Charlie Martin
In the course of looking at Jeremy's reponse to my query about a mystery panic, I noted his recommendation that PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE be set to 256. Ever-obedient, I went to set the value, and discovered instead that the conf file already has it set to 4096. As he says below, there are concerns

Re: PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=4096?

2011-12-23 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 24/12/2011 00:21 Charlie Martin said the following: In the course of looking at Jeremy's reponse to my query about a mystery panic, I noted his recommendation that PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE be set to 256. Ever-obedient, I went to set the value, and discovered instead that the conf file already

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Peter Jeremy peterjer...@acm.org wrote: On 2011-Dec-23 23:40:10 +0200, George Kontostanos gkontos.m...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, and IMHO this was not the proper time for this kind of advisories considering the fact that many companies are in a freeze

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-23 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 23 December 2011 11:11, Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu wrote: Ah, so goods news!  I cannot reproduce this problem that I saw 3+ years ago on the 4-cpu node, which is currently running a ULE kernel.  When I killed the (N+1)th job, the N remaining jobs are spread across the N

Re: PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=4096?

2011-12-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 03:21:06PM -0700, Charlie Martin wrote: In the course of looking at Jeremy's reponse to my query about a mystery panic, I noted his recommendation that PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE be set to 256. Ever-obedient, I went to set the value, and discovered instead that the conf file

Re: PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=4096?

2011-12-23 Thread Charlie Martin
Thanks, Jeremy, I really was trying to keep you from needing to dig this out. This is inherited code with some very peculiar intermittent panics, so you can imagine that I would be interested in specifics of the odd behavior. Sadly, I don't think we're seeing any stack overflows. On

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-23 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 24/12/2011 00:49 Adrian Chadd said the following: Does ULE care (much) if the nodes are hyperthreading or real cores? Would that play a part in what it tries to schedule/spread? An answer to this part from the theory. ULE does care about physical topology of the (logical) CPUs. So, for

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-23 Thread Steve Kargl
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 02:49:51PM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: On 23 December 2011 11:11, Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu wrote: One difference between the 2008 tests and today tests is the number of available cpus. ?In 2008, I ran the tests on a node with 8 cpus, while

Re: PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=4096?

2011-12-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 04:02:26PM -0700, Charlie Martin wrote: Thanks, Jeremy, I really was trying to keep you from needing to dig this out. This is inherited code with some very peculiar intermittent panics, so you can imagine that I would be interested in specifics of the odd behavior.

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-23 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 23/12/2011 20:23, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk wrote: On 23/12/2011 02:56, Garrett Cooper wrote: snip There is a wiki page http://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning which is currently more or less tuning(7) with some annotations, the