Re: GELI speed

2011-03-29 Thread Eugene Grosbein
On 29.03.2011 00:57, Clayton Milos wrote: Hi Pawel I'm running GELI encryption on a hardware RAID5 (8x1TB), formatted to 6.3T usable space using i386 FreeBSD 7.3-PRERELEASE. Write speeds to the drive are just over 40MB/s which is not too bad but I would like to improve it as the drive

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/28/2011 22:32, Jason Hsu wrote: I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to work properly. I've been so spoiled by the quickness and user-friendliness of antiX/Swift Linux and Puppy

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 01:32:23AM -0400, Jason Hsu wrote: I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to work properly. I've been so spoiled by the quickness and user-friendliness of

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Gour
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:32:23 -0400 Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to work properly. I'm in the same boat, and will try today again...

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul A. Procacci
Hello Jason, (Highly Opinionated Piece) Are there any good tutorials for using BSD on the desktop? I'm having much more difficulty finding good information on BSD than was the case for Linux. In retrospect, this shouldn't be a surprise given that Linux is relatively mainst ream while

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
As with other people that replied before - my opinions reflect my opinions that might actually *not* suit your personal needs. But you asked. On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 01:32 -0400, Jason Hsu wrote: Some questions: 1. Is it possible to install KDE, GNOME, or other DE from the FreeBSD CD in a

NFS tuning over ZFS

2011-03-29 Thread George Mamalakis
Hi everybody, I want to use a setup of nfsv3,krb5i mountpoints for my users' homefolders. The clients are linux (Ubuntu) and the server is FreeBSD-8-STABLE. The clients use autofs for mounting the users' homefolders. Once a user logs in, their folder is mounted, and the user has access to

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to work properly. I've been so spoiled by the quickness and

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
Hi, On 29 March 2011 11:33, Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: As with other people that replied before - my opinions reflect my opinions that might actually *not* suit your personal needs. But you asked. On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 01:32 -0400, Jason Hsu wrote: Some questions: 1.  Is it

Re: GELI speed

2011-03-29 Thread Clayton Milos
On 29.03.2011 00:57, Clayton Milos wrote: Hi Pawel I'm running GELI encryption on a hardware RAID5 (8x1TB), formatted to 6.3T usable space using i386 FreeBSD 7.3-PRERELEASE. Write speeds to the drive are just over 40MB/s which is not too bad but I would like to improve it as the drive gets

way for failover zpool (no HAST needed)

2011-03-29 Thread Denny Schierz
hi, my two nodes are running fine with 8.2-stable and the LSI 9200-8e and now, I want to build a failover for the Zpool (and later ISCSI target) Both nodes are connected to the same disks (jbod) and now I need a way, to get the zpool(s) running on the node with the CARP public IP. I found

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: What's the benefit of building everything from source? Yes, you can configure some of the ports, but in these days you'll end up with stuff you don't want to have anyway. I'm a zsh user and have hardly any need for bash, except

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
Hello Jeremy, On 29 March 2011 13:36, Jeremy Chadwick free...@jdc.parodius.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: [ZSH PCRE Support] Up to now I probably had to need for pcre, since I haven't noticed that it's not part of the package. ;) And in case of an

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
Hi, On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 12:59 +0200, Christian Walther wrote: What's the benefit of building everything from source? Yes, you can configure some of the ports, but in these days you'll end up with stuff you don't want to have anyway. I'm a zsh user and have hardly any need for bash, except

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Claus Guttesen kome...@gmail.com (from Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:57:40 +0200): I'm mounting the FreeBSD-server from a couple of vmware esxi 4.1 servers using nfs, but when there is alot of i/o the server becomes unresponsive, easily triggered by installing ie. ms-sql. The server itself is

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Jason Hsu wrote: I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to work properly. I've been so spoiled by the quickness and user-friendliness of antiX/Swift Linux and Puppy Linux for so long. I

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:59:24 am Christian Walther wrote: On the downside there seem to be some work needing to be done IRT kernel based 3D acceleration. I don't know the current status, but the last I heard was that NVidias drivers can't be ported to FreeBSD because the kernel lacks some

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:32:23 -0400 Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: I've been trying to switch from Linux to BSD for my everyday computing (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc.), but I couldn't get things to work properly. I've been so spoiled by the quickness and

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 8:25:11 AM -0500 Stephen Montgomery-Smith step...@missouri.edu wrote: But the desktop experience of Ubuntu is so easy, and it works so much out of the box that I am switching to Ubuntu for a lot of my everyday desktop needs. Not to belabor the point, but this is precisely

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 1:32:23 AM -0400 Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: Some questions: 1. Is it possible to install KDE, GNOME, or other DE from the FreeBSD CD in a reasonable amount of time? KDE and GNOME are huge programs, and having to download them would take too long. I

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Claus Guttesen kome...@gmail.com wrote: I'm aware of that, but the only way the problem shows up is when a windows machine performs an installation or a windows update (and has alot of updates in the pipeline). When traffic (i/o) is low to moderate it justs

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 29/03/2011 19:43 Paul Schmehl said the following: FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes (Windows, Mac and Linux). You can make it work, if you want to, but that's not what its primary function is. Chiming in on a

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Could you support your claim with some examples, please? Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes (Windows, Mac and Linux). Here too. How is desktop support on FreeBSD

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Nikola Pavlović
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: On the downside there seem to be some work needing to be done IRT kernel based 3D acceleration. I don't know the current status, but the last I heard was that NVidias drivers can't be ported to FreeBSD because the kernel

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
2011/3/29 Nikola Pavlović n...@riseup.net: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Christian Walther wrote: [...] As others have pointed out NVidia drivers for FreeBSD have been available for some time, and they work just fine. Yes, thanks for pointing that out, everybody. :) As far as eye

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Matthew Fleming
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes (Windows, Mac and Linux). Here too. How is desktop support on FreeBSD lacking? I realize a

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Michal Varga
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:51 -0700, Matthew Fleming wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: Here too. How is desktop support on FreeBSD lacking? I realize a desktop means many things to many people, but the biggest thing holding me back from using

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 29/03/2011 20:51 Matthew Fleming said the following: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes (Windows, Mac and Linux). Here too. How

Re: ZFS pool on FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE broken?

2011-03-29 Thread Mark Morley
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:38:54 -0500 Scot Hetzel wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Mark Morley wrote: Hi there, I have a small backup server (8.2-STABLE). �It boots from ufs and has azfs pool for backups that consists of 8 drives configured as 4 mirrored devices, totally around 2.5

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Alex Goncharov
,--- Michal (Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:20:04 +0200) * | There is also no Microsoft Windows Management Console for FreeBSD, does | it make FreeBSD lacking, insufficient, or broken in some specific server | area? It's time to switch this char elsewhere, to -help, perhaps, no? -- Alex --

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Christian Walther
On 29 March 2011 14:53, Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, [Port building, mplayer/mencoder example w/o options] Packages are build with the default ports options. These turn out to be suitable for me, so I guess they are suitable for others, as well. I never said that building from

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote: Strange. I followed some instructions that I googled up and it was like install these two ports and run that command and everything worked. And still does :) (I think that it was www/linux-f10-flashplugin10,

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Andriy Gapon on Tuesday, 29 March 2011: on 29/03/2011 19:43 Paul Schmehl said the following: FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Desktop support is lacking when compared to the other major OSes (Windows, Mac and Linux). You can make it work, if you want to, but that's not

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 7:27:26 PM +0200 Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:43 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: FreeBSD is first and foremost a server OS. Could you support your claim with some examples, please? Seriously? Visit Netcraft. Desktop support is

Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jason Hsu
Thanks for your thoughts on making the move from Linux to BSD. I'm not making the move because I don't like Linux. Instead, I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.).

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Adam Vande More on Tuesday, 29 March 2011: I think a entry on people who are obsessed with collecting OS's warrants an entry in the DSM IV. Well, I probably warrant my own entry in the DSM IV (just ask my wife). -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o |

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 8:20:04 PM +0200 Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:51 -0700, Matthew Fleming wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga varga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: Here too. How is desktop support on FreeBSD lacking? I realize a desktop

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Michal Varga wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:51 -0700, Matthew Fleming wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Vargavarga.mic...@gmail.com wrote: Here too. How is desktop support on FreeBSD lacking? I realize a desktop means many things to many people, but the

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote: Go to Youtube and see if you can watch a video. Ubuntu does it out of the box. FreeBSD only does it after you tweak and tweak and tweak and google and google and google. Or just follow the instructions. If people

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Claus Guttesen
All ip-activitiy, dns, ssh etc. on the interface (ip-address) that is mounted. So whenever I test I log in to the server using the other ip-address and whenever it stops responding to ping or my screen session stops I reload the interfaces and the traffic resumes. Are the two NICs the same

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/29/2011 12:37, Adam Vande More wrote: Java is a different matter. Handbook should be updated to use the iced tea plugin since the other java plugin doesn't work on new FF plus it's other deficiencies. It's been update for some time now. :)

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Stephen Montgomery-Smith on Tuesday, 29 March 2011: 3. Whether or not the use wants the ability to install a proprietary closed exploit-ridden hellhole depends upon what they want. If they want to go to movie web sites and view the latest trailers complete with all the flashy add

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/29/2011 12:32, Paul Schmehl wrote: That's how silly your argument is. You can't do it, because FreeBSD does not have a system-installed desktop. Even Xorg is a port. It is in linux too, it's just that the various distros who focus on the desktop have bundled it into the default

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 2:37:07 PM -0500 Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: Go to Youtube and see if you can watch a video.  Ubuntu does it out of the box.  FreeBSD only does it after you tweak and tweak and

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote: --On March 29, 2011 1:32:23 AM -0400 Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: ... 4. What are the Linux Mint and Puppy Linux of the BSD universe? I consider these two distros to set the standard in the Linux

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote: Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that difficult I'm not sure any OS is going to be the answer long term. If you do enough computer use you'll have to follow instructions at some point.

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On March 29, 2011 3:20:48 PM -0500 Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote: Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that difficult I'm not sure any OS is going to be the answer long term. If

Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD

2011-03-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/29/2011 13:20, Adam Vande More wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Paul Schmehlpschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote: Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that difficult I'm not sure any OS is going to be the answer long term. If you do enough computer use you'll have to

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 09:37:34PM +0200, Claus Guttesen wrote: All ip-activitiy, dns, ssh etc. on the interface (ip-address) that is mounted. So whenever I test I log in to the server using the other ip-address and whenever it stops responding to ping or my screen session stops I reload

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread J. Hellenthal
First I would recommend posting to the correct mailing list. Second I would recommend as much googling as your fingers can stand. Third BSD != Linux and this has been discussed in depth in previous articles. Fourth and foremost I would place a pretty good bet that Paris Hilton could setup

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread grenville armitage
On 03/30/2011 06:16, Jason Hsu wrote: [..] So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? PC-BSD. Seriously. You say you've got it already, so try it on real hardware rather than inside virtualbox. I use PC-BSD 8.1 for both my home and work desktops. Try using PC-BSD's

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: Thanks for your thoughts on making the move from Linux to BSD. I'm not making the move because I don't like Linux. Instead, I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt

Re: way for failover zpool (no HAST needed)

2011-03-29 Thread Mikolaj Golub
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:17:01 +0200 Denny Schierz wrote: DS hi, DS my two nodes are running fine with 8.2-stable and the LSI 9200-8e and DS now, I want to build a failover for the Zpool (and later ISCSI target) DS Both nodes are connected to the same disks (jbod) and now I need a way, DS

Re: zfs, nfs and zil

2011-03-29 Thread Claus Guttesen
It's a supermicro server with dual igb-nics on the mainboard. I did try other cables and other ports on the switch (hp procurve). I don't have access to the server atm. but I'll get the chip-info in a day or two. Both ip-addresses are on same subnet. Speed is autonegotiated to 1 GB full

Re: way for failover zpool (no HAST needed)

2011-03-29 Thread Rumen Telbizov
Hi Denny, Although I haven't fully implemented this yet I was thinking of a failover system based on carp + ifstated (/usr/ports/net/ifstated). ifstated will allow you to execute stuff on events like the carp interface becoming the master/backup. As a side note I'd suggest that you consider

Re: GELI speed

2011-03-29 Thread Clayton Milos
On 29.03.2011 00:57, Clayton Milos wrote: Hi Pawel I'm running GELI encryption on a hardware RAID5 (8x1TB), formatted to 6.3T usable space using i386 FreeBSD 7.3-PRERELEASE. Write speeds to the drive are just over 40MB/s which is not too bad but I would like to improve it as the drive gets

Re: Best first desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Paul A. Procacci
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 04:55:34PM -0400, J. Hellenthal wrote: snip I would place a pretty good bet that Paris Hilton could setup and run a FreeBSD desktop. /snip What are you smoking? I want some. ;P -- Paul Procacci Manager, UNIX Support Services Datapipe Managed Global IT Services