Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-24 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
My mother past away in January. My brother and I spent some time this weekend putting her house in order for a sale. It's thrown all prior planned weekend activities off. I will work on the simulator as soon as I'm able to this week. All updates will remain at:

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-24 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ben, On 22/06/12 21:31, Ben Mendis wrote: Look at it this way, what you're talking about is already possible. Your ISP can already see all your traffic and they can analayze everything you're doing. If the government comes knocking they will

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-24 Thread Ben Mendis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On Sun, 24 Jun 2012, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: My mother past away in January. My brother and I spent some time this weekend putting her house in order for a sale. It's thrown all prior planned weekend activities off. I'm sorry to hear

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-24 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
CC: Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On Sun, 24 Jun 2012, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: My mother past away in January. My brother and I spent some time this weekend putting her house in order for a sale

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-22 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2012 04:16 PM, Markus Sabadello wrote: I've been told though that olsr is still the way to go for large networks. Kind of. If the mesh nodes pushing the packets have a fair amount of RAM olsrd is okay. The thing about that particular

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-22 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2012 10:12 AM, Dave Taht wrote: There are plenty of mesh protocols available - 802.11s, batman, olsr, and my own fav babel. 802.11s operates at layer 2, is limited to 32 There are over 70 mesh routing protocols; not all of them have been

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-22 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2012 02:13 PM, John Gilmore wrote: Internet while the problem is happening, to debug it. Many, many OLPC mesh problems occurred in the field which could not be replicated in the lab, which made them 10x or 100x harder to fix. This meant

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-22 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the security implications of this discussion. I think that's in part because goals like censorship-resistant-connectivity and privacy seem in conflict. To the best of my understanding these routing protocols have not been designed with the goal of

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-22 Thread Ben Mendis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sam, I am one of the developers of Project Byzantium and heard about this discussion from The Doctor. Freedombox is not our project so we have no authority to direct which way the project goes, but we have done some significant research and

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-20 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
I have pushed out a RUNME\ directory. See for source code: https://github.com/RickCHodgin/fbxsim I was asked in private email what this program is. Basically, it's a protocol simulator describing a methodology of exactly how to establish and maintain a living / dynamic wireless mesh. In

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-20 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
Matthias-Christian, I appreciate your response. If the research is available let's get it out there and find the software and steps to setup mesh networks on FBX. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin On 06/20/2012 08:50 AM, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: On 2012-06-20 14:23, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-20 Thread Rick
Would it be useful to discuss requirements from scratch? On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: My wife and I are walking in mall with at least one other person every 40 feet or so. We decide to separate and go shopping. I walk this way, she walks that way.

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-20 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
We won't carry FBXs around the mall because they use too much electricity. Agreed. However, we all have cell phones. Root a device, install a custom ROM or a custom FBX app which leverages the WiFi abilities of the device, and now we all have FBX conduits in cell phone form able to transfer

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-20 Thread Markus Sabadello
For a simple experiment of making 4 Guruplugs talk to each other via batman, see herehttp://projectdanube.pbworks.com/w/page/51790984/Guruplugs%20and%20BATMAN . I've been told though that olsr is still the way to go for large networks. Markus -- Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-20 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2012-06-20 at 14:55:52 -0400, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: We have to look at what we're on about here: The ability to have little servers is one thing. But the ability to convey information outside of prying eyes is another. What's there to stop your average three-letter-agency from walking

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-20 Thread John Gilmore
I am going to proceed with my own discovery as I have a very clear idea in my head of how this will work. Great! Break a meg :-/ ! Here's the small insight that helped me refine my thinking: Sending packets from your node towards the Internet is not the hard part. Receiving packets from

[Freedombox-discuss] Freedombox Mesh Network Simulator

2012-06-19 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
All, I began working on the mesh network simulator. Will work on it more this week / weekend. Will put a video up on YouTube describing its operation. The source code is available here: https://github.com/RickCHodgin/fbxsim It's being written in Visual FoxPro 9.0 for rapid prototyping.