Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

Hi Mateusz, >- the tricky part might be to make it possible to install FreeDOS on > a system where there is already something (ie. multiboot), and make it > actually bootable, without breaking the other stuff. Personally I > wouldn't object if FreeDOS would just trash whatever there is

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On 9/9/2015 11:45 PM, Antony Gordon wrote: > > Wow, > > This is the most activity I've seen on this list in a while, and it's > a temper tantrum of sorts over whether someone has the right to close > source or open source something they wrote. > Tantrums? Here? *gasp* Never... [/sarcasm] >

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Well, I don't know how hard it would be to port picoTCO (GPL v.2) to DOS: http://docs.picotcp.com/user_doc.pdf http://www.picotcp.com/about/ Heard about it from FOSDEM 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO4liMJZ0Qg also http://video.fosdem.org/2014/AW1121/Sunday/PicoTCP.webm

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

HI, How many of you remember the DOS 6.22 install process? If possible, it should aim for that. It's simple and straight to the point. It worked across all platforms and got DOS up and running with minimal fuss. Once the setup is done, after a reboot, the FreeDOS package manager can run to add

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: >> >> - about RAMDisk: it might come handy indeed, but remember that >> FreeDOS should still be able to install on old machines, ie. from a

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. > wrote: >> [long description of install process] >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:34 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: > Why not make a single executable to handle all of this,instead of 50 million >

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

I suggest three options: 1. Base install (Just the basic essential parts of FreeDOS) 2. Complete install (The base install of FreeDOS along with all bundled third-party software) 3. Advanced install (Specify individual packages, install sources, etc.)

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. > wrote: >> >> Ok, I’m going to need some feedback on this. >> >> Especially things like: >> >> What I should strip out of the FDCONFIG.SYS and >> AUTOEXEC.BAT? >> >> What should be

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > So we already have at least five use cases :-) > > * install from floppy XCOPY style to pre-386 computers, allowing > the user to later add packages in a more manual way via FDPKG > > * install from CD / DVD / USB to

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Jerome Shidel wrote: [..] > I have the FDI 1.2 prototype installer about 30% done already. > Excellent! > Next up: > > Locate packages to install. No sense going any farther if they can't be found. > > To display Eula. Accept or quit?

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

Just to get this one out of the way: >>> On 07/09/2015 13:51, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. wrote: Who is making the Batch file based installer for FreeDOS 1.2? I will be more than happy to answer any questions on V8Power Tools implementation, theory and advanced techniques for

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Antony Gordon wrote: > If you just want to do the EULA thing, you can put a generic, this contains > free software based on several licenses, including GNU GPL, MIT, and BSD. By > continuing with this install, you accept all applicable

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

Perhaps take a cue from Apple on this one. The CD boots to an environment that can be used for recovery, diagnostics, or an install. For edge use cases where GPARTED would need to be used or some tweaking of a GRUB boot loader could be performed prior to starting the install... On Sep 10, 2015

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

Hi Jerome, Jayden, Rugxulo, Jim, Matheusz, others! Some more thoughts: > I don’t see a way to install the KERNEL.SYS without updating the > boot sector. But, should always at least ask to back stuff up. Read the output of SYS /? or the HTMLHELP page about SYS or the readme of SYS to find such

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi Jerome, Jayden, Rugxulo, Jim, Matheusz, others! Some more thoughts: > >> I don’t see a way to install the KERNEL.SYS without updating the >> boot sector. But, should always at least ask to back stuff up. > > Read

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > I suggest three options: > > 1. Base install (Just the basic essential parts of FreeDOS) > > 2. Complete install (The base install of FreeDOS along with all bundled > third-party software) > > 3. Advanced install

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Jerome Shidel wrote: >> [..] >> I have the FDI 1.2 prototype installer about 30% done already. > > Excellent! > > >> Next up: >> >> Locate packages to install. No

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi, nitpicking and ideas coming up :-) > >> This gives the user the ability to partition and format elsewhere. >> But, you cannot do an install without the drive C:. > > Actually a "live CD" mode would be nice. Give

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

Why not make a single executable to handle all of this,instead of 50 million batch commands?I might be wrong,but wouldn't it be more..well..efficient? On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. wrote: > > > On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mercury Thirteen

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 package compilation

Resurrecting this bit of discussion from June, as I get caught up on list matters. :-) > On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > >> I'm still reviewing the packages to ensure they're all open source >> compliant. >> >> What are we considering acceptable in this regard? Are we going only

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

Hi, nitpicking and ideas coming up :-) > This gives the user the ability to partition and format elsewhere. > But, you cannot do an install without the drive C:. Actually a "live CD" mode would be nice. Give the user some menu item to load a large ramdisk and install (with fdpkg / fdnpkg) a

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project.

Microsoft probably knows.I honestly have no idea.Maybe they thought it would make it more 'user friendly'. On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Antony Gordon wrote: > Hi, > > I'm curious as to why a batch file and DOS 6 setup automatically initiated > the format once the drive

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

> On 10/09/2015 10:51, Eric Auer wrote: >> My personal opinion is that on 8086, you should rather use a floppy >> distro like RUFFIDEA or BREZEL which has the "base" category already >> pre-installed on one or a few floppies and you just XCOPY that to a >> disk of your choice manually. Imagine how

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. > wrote: >> (Please forgive me if I misquote or misunderstand the following Jim.) >> >> Jim says he wants a super simple, nearly option free installer. >> With basically two choices: >> >> Full install >> >>

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > Just to get this one out of the way: > > > On 07/09/2015 13:51, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. wrote: > Who is making the Batch file based installer for FreeDOS 1.2? > > I will be more than happy to answer any

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Jim Hall wrote: >> I don't know about displaying the EULA. There are many free software / >> open source licenses used in the FreeDOS distribution. The kernel and >> many utilities in Base are under the GNU GPL, but many other programs >> are

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > > Well, I see it doesn't work lol > > I'll look into it as time allows. > > On 9/8/2015 3:11 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: >> Well, just try actually installing your packages on a FreeDOS system... >> That's the

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

If you just want to do the EULA thing, you can put a generic, this contains free software based on several licenses, including GNU GPL, MIT, and BSD. By continuing with this install, you accept all applicable licenses. To view them in detail, view C:\FREEDOS\DOC. On Sep 10, 2015 9:34 PM, "Jerome

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Getting booted over a simple statement isn't even something to worry about.I think the only person who decides that would be Jim. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > On 10/09/2015 19:23, Paul Dufresne wrote: > > Well, I don't know how hard it would be to

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Antony Gordon wrote: > HI, > > How many of you remember the DOS 6.22 install process? If possible, it > should aim for that. It's simple and straight to the point. It worked across > all platforms and got DOS up and running with minimal fuss.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

On 9/10/2015 9:22 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > Welcome to FreeDOS! > > FreeDOS is a free version of DOS, an operating system that you install > on your computer. FreeDOS is made up of many smaller programs, called > utilities. > > Most of FreeDOS is distributed to you under the GNU General Public >

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

To make the Base install viable (usefully execute fdnpkg), will networking (wattcp and/or mtcp) & shsufdrv become a part of Base? -L On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Jim Hall wrote: [SNIP] > > 1. Do you want to install all the extra software, or just the programs > that

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

Hi! > How many of you remember the DOS 6.22 install process? If possible, it > should aim for that. It's simple and straight to the point. It worked As far as I remember, it was 3 floppies and only "base" software... Also, under which conditions would it format / partition your disk? > across

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi! > >> How many of you remember the DOS 6.22 install process? If possible, it >> should aim for that. It's simple and straight to the point. It worked > > As far as I remember, it was 3 floppies and only "base" software... > Also, under which conditions

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On 10/09/2015 19:23, Paul Dufresne wrote: > Well, I don't know how hard it would be to port picoTCO (GPL v.2) to DOS: There is also lwip that looks very solid - highly active, BSD license, stable IPv6 support, designed to be lightweight and portable. And there's already a DOS port of it! made

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

Well, I see it doesn't work lol I'll look into it as time allows. On 9/8/2015 3:11 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Well, just try actually installing your packages on a FreeDOS system... > That's the whole point. Then you will see what happens :) > > Every single package must be tested before being