Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Ralf, > ExFAT is indeed covered by Microsoft patents, the Samsung driver is said > to be in violation of those and should be avoided at all cost if you > don't want to risk patent litigation with M$ at some point... > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Just because there is a legal license doesn't mean any money was involved. It could have been granted free for PR purposes, there might have been some kind of cross-licensing agreement, or there might be some restrictive conditions on its use. > -Original Message- > From: Bret Johnson

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I think he meant "file system", not "file". > -Original Message- > From: Ralf Quint [mailto:freedos...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 9:14 PM > To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for > freedos sdxc

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi FreeDOS-ers, > We could undercut the competition and make our own free FAT > implementation which does fills the same niche as exFAT. Extremely unlikely to succeed! For example OGG Vorbis audio works very well and is free but still companies rather pay to license MP3. On Sony Smart TV

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Delving further into the story it looks like Samsung licensed it legally from MS and then a Samsung employee (illegally?) uploaded it to github. It all seems pretty sketchy to me. Do you really believe MS would give anything it still considers proprietary to Linux (or Samsung or ...) for PR?

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Because it's a Patent (rather than a trade secret or copyright) issue, you ALSO have to be sure you don't do things the same way the patent does. That is still infringement even if you do it completely independently. === David C. Kerber WRA in-house e-mail x-111

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

We could undercut the competition and make our own free FAT implementation which does fills the same niche as exFAT. On 9/24/2015 3:22 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > My understanding is similar to Bret's. Also, I understand the exFAT > implementation on Android and other platforms was derived and

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I could write up a spec, but I don't have the time to make a full blown implementation at this point. I hope "remain compatible with DOS" does not equal "remain compatible with FAT 12/16/32" since the implementation I was envisioning would not offer any backward compatibility. Drives formatted

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Steve & Mercury, >> While I agree that further information would be welcome, >> I am generally optimistic about possibilities for exFAT. > > ...prolly best still to leave it to the network redirector, and keep it > out of the kernel proper, just in case. > > But perhaps it could be

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Jim Hall wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mercury Thirteen > wrote: >> We could undercut the competition and make our own free FAT >> implementation which does fills the same niche as exFAT. >> > > > I think that's a great idea! I encourage

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

That's all pretty true, but the way I see it, it doesn't matter - all the smartphones, cameras, MP3 players, etc. can use whatever stupidly encumbered format they wish. Undaunted, we can offer a new FAT to modernize the existing aged FAT variants, and folks are free to use it (or not) as they

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I don't see where we need multitasking for NAS use. A program could be made to both handle incoming requests while serving data and doing other tasks, eliminating the need for a proper multitasking kernel. Even if that was the case, the bloat of the Linux kernel would make it prohibitive in

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I've already had the new kernel successfully probe the entire 2 GB in my VM. And that's not even with PAE added in yet. On 9/24/2015 9:23 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: Also,perhaps we should allow our new OS to "see" more RAM and memory.FreeDOS/DOS only "sees" a specific amount of RAM.I could

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Mercury, so you want to run a NAS or home automation on DOS? For NAS, you need a multitasking OS, not DOS. For home automation, which limitation of FAT would be a problem? Same for other light embedded devices. Flash does not give good performance for FAT, but embedded devices would have

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

First thing I noticed (This may be just me.),is that we need more memory for the OS environment.Normally,when I boot FreeDOS on ANY computer (Be it modern or old),the memory is always 601 MB free.More memory would be needed for a bigger file system and multi-tasking. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:54

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

My understanding is similar to Bret's. Also, I understand the exFAT implementation on Android and other platforms was derived and licensed from Microsoft. It is patent-encumbered, and therefore cannot be merged with FreeDOS (or any code distributed under the GNU GPL, for example.) I would be very

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Also,perhaps we should allow our new OS to "see" more RAM and memory.FreeDOS/DOS only "sees" a specific amount of RAM.I could have 5GB of RAM,and it will only read 1MB,and so on with the computer cores. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:21 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU < jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org> wrote: >