I agree, and I wrote about similar ideas a while back in consideration of
what we might want in 2.0
http://sourceforge.net/userapps/wordpress/jhall1/2009/04/
I like the ideas of USB driver and a __GOOD__ GUI (no Linux).
Anyway, this thread degenerated ... stared with DOS drivers and ended
If you have several DOSEMUs running in parallel, these cannot communicate.
Linux, however, allows one process to spawn another process and then there is
pipe() to have these processes communicate.
A tiny Linux distribution without X and graphics is here:
http://www.ttylinux.net/
my 2cents:
I spent a lot of time with MicroCore Linux. It runs very well, and
probably would run Dosemu. BUT the problemis that it is not a *real*
Linux ditro in the sense that is does not install to a harddisk, it
rather boots every time as if it was from a cdrom. There are a few
tricks to
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Alain Mouette ala...@pobox.com wrote:
my 2cents:
I spent a lot of time with MicroCore Linux. It runs very well, and
probably would run Dosemu. BUT the problemis that it is not a *real*
Linux ditro in the sense that is does not install to a harddisk, it
Hi,
2011/9/11 jhall jh...@freedos.org:
There are multitasking DOSes (DR-DOS, RDOS, TSX-32 ??, etc.)
inherently useless
Not useless, really. For example, MS-DOS 5 introduced their DOS Shell that
supported task switching, a rudimentary form of multitasking.
I used to use this feature all
Hi,
2011/9/11 Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl:
Not sure about FDSHELL's abilities. I'd love for someone to come up with
a decent DOSSHELL.INI for it, including a usable/pretty color scheme. It
can already jump to DOS, same for EDIT
Annotated as feature request.
(regrettably, don't expect it
Hi,
2011/9/13 Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org:
In DOS, it would be awesome to have true multitasking, where you can
let a process run in the background (like a compile) while you do
something else (browser?) But to be honest, all I really want/need is
some sort of extension or shell that provides
Hi,
2011/9/18 Aitor Santamaría aitor...@gmail.com:
2011/9/13 Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org:
In DOS, it would be awesome to have true multitasking
Pick the smallest Linux distribution that you know.
These days that would probably be MicroCore (aka, TinyCore w/o X11)
Linux. It's about a 7 MB
Hi Rugxulo,
You introduction really made me wanting to try out DOSEMU. It's unfortunate
that I allocated all my hard disk space (120GB) of my computer to Windows,
so the option would be limited to a Virtual Machine. Thus I'll try your
idea, with DeLi + DOSEMU inside VMware or Virtual Box. Thank
Hi,
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Decheng Fan fandech...@gmail.com wrote:
You introduction really made me wanting to try out DOSEMU. It's unfortunate
that I allocated all my hard disk space (120GB) of my computer to Windows,
Vista and 7 let you resize the NTFS partition. With XP you may
Hi Rugxulo,
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Vista and 7 let you resize the NTFS partition. With XP you may have to
use (external) GParted (on a Linux liveCD), which is a little tricker.
Then ideally you'd maybe (?) use EasyBCD to configure the Windows
A. Quint free...@gmx.net
To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
At 11:46 AM 9/13/2011, jhall wrote:
I emailed the contact
At 11:14 AM 9/17/2011, Jim Michaels wrote:
I am getting timeouts on that server. both web server and ftp server are dead.
Yeah, looks like they closed the FTP server...
is there a web site? all I can find is VMIX the video mixer.
Could it possibly cross your mind to try sysdev.org? :?
Ralf
...@yahoo.com; freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
At 06:44 PM 9/15/2011, Jim Michaels wrote:
uh-oh - it shouldn't be on sf.net if it's shareware. that's a violation of
the terms of service.
you might want
: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
I could see multithreading support in 7-zip.
but then again files aren't usually very big in DOS. I don't know if
OpenWATCOM or DJGPP has support for POSIX threads.
C++ is getting a makeover
...@softcon.com
To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
On Sep 11, 2011, at 5:36 PM, jhall wrote:
There are multitasking DOSes (DR-DOS, RDOS, TSX-32 ??, etc.)
inherently useless
Not useless, really
I also think the task should look exactly like DOS. This either means
that resources (e.g. serial ports, printer ports, usb, ect) must be
given exclusively to one task which owns it until it closes or the
kernal must administer the conflicts WITHOUT one task being able to
crash another.
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Andreas Berger wrote:
Writing a multitasker is easy, but I have no understanding about how
DPMI, rings and resource allocation work. I think the idea of a
bare-bone linux behind the scene is a very good. Truth be told I would
like to see OS/2 resurrected with true DOS
Mike, I like your suggestions. One thing that always bothered me
about dos versions that have come out since ms dropped the ball is
their complete lack of inovation. I realize there's only so much
that can be done if you're intending to keep 100 percent
compatibility, but still, it's not
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Travis Siegel wrote:
Mike, I like your suggestions. One thing that always bothered me
about dos versions that have come out since ms dropped the ball is
their complete lack of inovation. I realize there's only so much
that can be done if you're intending to keep 100
On 9/14/2011 7:31 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Mike, I like your suggestions. One thing that always bothered me
about dos versions that have come out since ms dropped the ball is
their complete lack of inovation. I realize there's only so much
that can be done if you're intending to keep 100
There was a project, quite some time ago, it was called LiDos. I liked
the idea very much:
It was a very simple Linux distro runing Dosemu at boot time. You could
switch to a bare Linux console and use Linux Commands. Unfortunatly it
was Slackware based and had too many modifications, so when
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Steve Nickolas
lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Andreas Berger wrote:
Writing a multitasker is easy, but I have no understanding about how
DPMI, rings and resource allocation work. I think the idea of a
bare-bone linux
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:
Another thing I wonder, is why it is that nobody has built anything
that allows executing of multiple oses on a single computer, using
one cpu core for each os, thereby allowing each os to run natively on
it's own cpu,
I agree, and I wrote about similar ideas a while back in consideration of what
we might want in 2.0.
http://sourceforge.net/userapps/wordpress/jhall1/2009/04/
An easy way to get there, of course, is by simply using instances of a
lightweight VM emulator like DOSemu, on a stripped down version
[VMiX ...]
Rugxulo found the link (http://www.sysdev.org/). They aren't on
SourceForge, it seems they are shareware instead.
I don't know, I didn't look too too closely, esp. since it was
confusing. I'm not sure if all versions are shareware or just the
newer (2007? beta? 3.x?) ones.
An easy way to get there, of course, is by simply using instances
of a lightweight VM emulator like DOSemu, on a stripped down version
of Linux. An even better way would be to support true multitasking.
But I would be thrilled if we provided even task switching, such as through a
shell.
I
Le 13/09/2011 15:37, Tom Ehlert a écrit :
An easy way to get there, of course, is by simply using instances
of a lightweight VM emulator like DOSemu, on a stripped down version
of Linux. An even better way would be to support true multitasking.
But I would be thrilled if we provided even task
I emailed the contact person of VMiX yesterday, to see if he might
be interested in opening VMiX as open source software.
clicking on the [download] button leads to
ftp://ftp.sysdev.org/pub/VMiX-3/
so it's possible no one is working
on VMiX anymore. If they would be willing to open
At 11:46 AM 9/13/2011, jhall wrote:
I emailed the contact person of VMiX yesterday, to see if he might
be interested in opening VMiX as open source software.
clicking on the [download] button leads to
ftp://ftp.sysdev.org/pub/VMiX-3/ftp://ftp.sysdev.org/pub/VMiX-3/
so it's possible no one is
[...]
Not useless, really. For example, MS-DOS 5 introduced their DOS Shell that
supported task switching, a rudimentary form of multitasking.
You could also (allegedly) just change your Win3x or Win9x shell=
line (system.ini ??) to command.com and use BootGUI=0 (or whatever).
Or such. ;-)
[...]
I'd love to see this as a feature added to FreeDOS one day.
There's always vmix, it's pretty good, and actually does true
multitasking. Last I saw, it was trying to become an os in it's own
right, where it could be used as a dos replacement. I don't think
this got very far, but if I
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote:
[...]
Not useless, really. For example, MS-DOS 5 introduced their DOS Shell that
supported task switching, a rudimentary form of multitasking.
You could also (allegedly) just change your Win3x or Win9x shell=
line
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote:
I remember using VMiX, long ago. I don't recall having much success
with it at the time, and it ran really slow on my '386. Might have
been 1992 or 1993, something like that, before I started experimenting
with Linux.
I have been thinking about what a more modern DOS would look like. Some
ideas ...
- A task would look a lot like a single instance of DOS running
today. The address space of a task would look the same, so it would
have the interrupt table, BIOS area, video display buffer, expansion
ROMs,
There are multitasking DOSes (DR-DOS, RDOS, TSX-32 ??, etc.)
inherently useless
Not useless, really. For example, MS-DOS 5 introduced their DOS Shell that
supported task switching, a rudimentary form of multitasking.
I used to use this feature all the time as a student: for example, to
Op 11-9-2011 23:36, jhall schreef:
There are multitasking DOSes (DR-DOS, RDOS, TSX-32 ??, etc.)
inherently useless
Not useless, really. For example, MS-DOS 5 introduced their DOS Shell
that supported task switching, a rudimentary form of multitasking.
Task switching isn't the same as SMP
On Sep 11, 2011, at 5:36 PM, jhall wrote:
There are multitasking DOSes (DR-DOS, RDOS, TSX-32 ??, etc.)
inherently useless
Not useless, really. For example, MS-DOS 5 introduced their DOS
Shell that supported task switching, a rudimentary form of
multitasking.
I used to use this
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers
Hi :-)
In fact , i running arachne with older pcmcia 11 mb drivers for wifi, BUT i
can't use new pcmcia card wifi
up to 54 and more MB ..
Wireless is a pain in DOS, yes, sorry.
Impossible also using wifi pen
See above, unfortunately
Op 10-9-2011 9:47, Jim Michaels schreef:
I could see multithreading support in 7-zip.
but then again files aren't usually very big in DOS. I don't know if
OpenWATCOM or DJGPP has support for POSIX threads.
Programs that are multithreaded either have to implement their own SMP
support or rely
Hi,
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote:
Op 10-9-2011 9:47, Jim Michaels schreef:
I could see multithreading support in 7-zip.
but then again files aren't usually very big in DOS. I don't know if
OpenWATCOM or DJGPP has support for POSIX threads.
Programs
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote:
Op 10-9-2011 9:47, Jim Michaels schreef:
I could see multithreading support in 7-zip.
but then again files aren't usually very big in DOS. I don't
People still use scanners? I thought they used their
photocamera, then even the BIOS often/__rarely__ supports your
SD cardreader in DOS without any drivers...
Any scanners can save to memory cards or USB sticks? Then bad drivers
could f*** o** ;-)
Hi,
it's all righth for your comments...
But, i suppose, dont' have exit way..
In fact , i running arachne with older pcmcia 11 mb drivers for wifi, BUT i
can't use new pcmcia card wifi
up to 54 and more MB ..
Impossible also using wifi pen or usb external device like printers /
scanners or
Op 6-9-2011 1:58, Alain Mouette schreef:
There is an ndis set of drivers that works very well: www.netbootdisk.com
I use them extensively.
Alain
That requires part of MS TCP/IP to be included?
packet driver: OK to redistribute
ODI: No idea. Free shim though
NDIS: No idea. Free shim?
UNDI
Op 6-9-2011 8:16, iw2evk schreef:
In fact , i running arachne with older pcmcia 11 mb drivers for wifi, BUT i
can't use new pcmcia card wifi
up to 54 and more MB ..
Impossible also using wifi pen or usb external device like printers /
scanners or bluetoot..
How many time we can continue
Hi :-)
In fact , i running arachne with older pcmcia 11 mb drivers for wifi, BUT i
can't use new pcmcia card wifi
up to 54 and more MB ..
Wireless is a pain in DOS, yes, sorry.
Impossible also using wifi pen
See above, unfortunately. But some network cable.
or usb external device like
Hi,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NdisWrapper
why possible in linux and not under DOS?
I suppose only because no one want to start a project for free..
Linux have a developpers comunity capable to work in team, dos have single
volonteers approach.
dos386 wrote:
It's possible make a
Op 5-9-2011 20:39, iw2evk schreef:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NdisWrapper
why possible in linux and not under DOS?
Because of manpower, working in protected mode etc? DOS is a realmode
operating system. Best option I know is shims around ODI/NDIS drivers.
Alternatively, have fun with
Le 05/09/2011 20:52, Bernd Blaauw a écrit :
Op 5-9-2011 20:39, iw2evk schreef:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NdisWrapper
why possible in linux and not under DOS?
Because of manpower, working in protected mode etc? DOS is a realmode
operating system. Best option I know is shims around
Hi Bernd,
I suppose only because no one want to start a project for free..
Linux has more support from companies, and more users.
Linux have a developpers comunity capable to work in team, dos have single
volonteers approach.
Big corporations funding work seems to help as well :)
There is an ndis set of drivers that works very well: www.netbootdisk.com
I use them extensively.
Alain
Em 05-09-2011 15:39, iw2evk escreveu:
Hi,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NdisWrapper
why possible in linux and not under DOS?
I suppose only because no one want to start a project for
It's possible make a stubbing for use WIN drivers under
freedos (maybe with HX EXTENDER?)
Theoretically possible, but extremely difficult.
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Roberto is right, the lack of drivers is a major problem for DOS now. Even
most printers cannot be used with DOS anymore since you cannot just send
plain ASCII text to them. Either the transmission is compressed or it is a
Winprinter which will work with a Windows driver only.
Maybe someone
Hi,
a greath problem with freedos it's the lack of drivers for new hardware .
I.e.
For wifi only 11Mb pcmcia exist.
No drivers for wifi usb key or umts wifi key.
Anothers lack it's a free Usb cd rom drivers.
Others item are : scanners, bluetoot , connecting new usb device etc.
For linux,
Hi,
Le 23/08/2011 13:32, iw2evk a écrit :
Hi,
a greath problem with freedos it's the lack of drivers for new hardware .
I.e.
For wifi only 11Mb pcmcia exist.
No drivers for wifi usb key or umts wifi key.
Anothers lack it's a free Usb cd rom drivers.
Others item are : scanners,
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