Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

We could work on the LiDOS (Linux + FreeDOS) toghether, I have all my setups annotated and I can share. Even easier with you as they are in portuguese ;-) First thing would be to define what will be done... We could start with a VirtualBox running Ubuntu 14.04 Server, running FreeDOS at

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

The bugs are: 1) something in packet driver that interferes with the mouse. I can use one or the other successfully but not both 2) on 64 bit Linux, the CPU internal timer (a 64 bit register, i don't remeber the name) is not working. (1) is annoying but (2) is a showstopper for me and I can

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

So you wish to mash FreeDOS and linux together? If so,I think we can make that as a DIFFERENT project.It would be interesting to see DOS and Linux made into one OS.It would be quite amusing to be frank. On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Alain Mouette wrote: > We could work on

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

The point is _running DOS programs_ And also having a stable modern platform behind to run on any possible new hardware (x86) Alain On 29-09-2015 22:50, Chelson Aitcheson wrote: What would be the point of freedos ? Might as well be another Linux distro On 29/09/2015 1:09 pm, "Geraldo

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Oi Alain/All, Tudo certinho por ai? :) Well, i think we have different approaches for different needs :P Alain, while many people dislike the approach you proposed, i can help updating the distro That would provide a quick workaround for dosemu users BTW, what are the bugs that you have found?

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

What would be the point of freedos ? Might as well be another Linux distro On 29/09/2015 1:09 pm, "Geraldo Netto" wrote: > Hi All, > > First of all, thank you all very very much for your support :) > Indeed, i have to follow the whole thread as Eric said > Also, all tips

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > Agreed. It's better to add more abilities to FreeDOS than to let it fall > under the Linux umbrella. FreeDOS is a lightweight, nimble OS and it would > behoove us to not lose its identity under that of another. Agreed, though I suspect there's not

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Geraldo, why that instead of making such a big project like exFAT, don't you consider a FreeDOS distro running on top of Linux? Dosemu works very well with few bugs (I know of 2 of them) file sharing is fery nice and fast. this has already been done before but was abandoned. I use

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Haha like On 30/09/2015 11:58 am, "Mercury Thirteen" wrote: > In fact, one could make a GNU-style acronym for that: FAL, or *FreeDOS > ain't Linux*. lol > > On 9/29/2015 9:54 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: > > We aren't linux.We make FreeDOS.Our goal is to make an IBM PC

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Agreed. It's better to add more abilities to FreeDOS than to let it fall under the Linux umbrella. FreeDOS is a lightweight, nimble OS and it would behoove us to not lose its identity under that of another. On 9/29/2015 9:50 PM, Chelson Aitcheson wrote: What would be the point of freedos ?

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

We aren't linux.We make FreeDOS.Our goal is to make an IBM PC compatible OS. :) On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Chelson Aitcheson < chelson.aitche...@gmail.com> wrote: > What would be the point of freedos ? Might as well be another Linux distro > On 29/09/2015 1:09 pm, "Geraldo Netto"

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Antony Gordon wrote: > > With regard to the development environment, Jim has posted somewhere that the > general development tools are OpenWatcom and NASM. I personally have found > OpenWatcom a tad bit overwhelming because of all that it

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Jim and Geraldo, of course I agree that exFAT should be accessed using the network redirector or CDEX interface: It would be too large to be in the kernel, should not be carried around with the kernel all the time and should be kept separately for the case that there are licensing issues.

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Geraldo Netto wrote: > Hi All, > > I was talking to Eric a few days ago about this exfat thread > and while we are worried with the license issues > I would like to volunteer myself to port current exfat from linux > kernel to freedos > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi, So a cursory read of Wikipedia on this topic (ExFAT) and I stumbled across this Two experimental, unofficial solutions are available for DOS. The loadable USBEXFAT driver requires Panasonic's USB stack for DOS and only works with USB storage devices; the open-source EXFAT executable is an

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Just a couple of comments. First of all, thanks for volunteering! Stepping up for something like this is not an easy thing to do, I know. The licensing thing will get managed somehow, I'm sure. If you've never written TSR's or device drivers before, this is definitely "jumping in the deep

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi All, First of all, thank you all very very much for your support :) Indeed, i have to follow the whole thread as Eric said Also, all tips are very valuable and Eduardo even provided a real project to start :P Well, i prefer to be low profile/humble to not create much expectations also because

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi All, I was talking to Eric a few days ago about this exfat thread and while we are worried with the license issues I would like to volunteer myself to port current exfat from linux kernel to freedos Of course, once it's a no-trivial thing i would like to ask your support i cannot promise

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hmmm, Possibly, BUT the resultant code would still have to be brought back to FreeDOS on virtual or real floppy. Might as well develop in a VM under FreeDOS. OpenWatcom, like I mentioned earlier was too much for me, so I went back to my Borland tools and add defines to cover the bases. -T >

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Open Watcom will generate 16 bit DOS binaries from any host platform that you run it on. All of my code is developed on Windows 7 using Open Watcom, generating code for the 16 bit DOS target. I use DOSbox for quick testing. For this code a virtual machine is appropriate. Setup networking in

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Has anyone considered the lean file system at all? On 25/09/2015 9:13 pm, "Eric Auer" wrote: > > Hi Mercury, > > (note: 2 GB and one core are no problem even for DOS - but > for example 8 GB and several cores are supported by almost > nothing in DOS, as there are no nice DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi, I don’t know too much about the innards of checking in and out code however, if you have the current version installed, you more than likely have the source to the current kernel. I would advise you to go the route of MSCDEX and use the network redirector interface. You may want to read

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi All, Well, i suppose lean fs is not a mainstream filesystem like the FAT family, ntfs and ext* Kind Regards, Geraldo Netto Sapere Aude => Non dvcor, dvco São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ On 27 September 2015 at 22:16, Chelson Aitcheson

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: > Hmmm, > > Possibly, BUT the resultant code would still have to be brought back to > FreeDOS on virtual or real floppy. Might as well develop in a VM under > FreeDOS. Well, there's mtools for that. ;) > OpenWatcom, like I mentioned earlier was too

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Geraldo, > does freedos have any vfs-equivalent interface? which files are involved? > is Pat's book a valid/current reference to freedos kernel? > which books would you suggest me to read? > what is the easiest way to setup the compiler? > > i mean, should i setup a freedos vm with with

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Sunday, September 27, 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately, Linux doesn’t have a 16-bit C compiler (that I am aware > of). GCC has some fundamental differences in C dialect from OpenWatcom and > Borland which would require conditional defines (especially

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: I would advise you to go the route of MSCDEX and use the network redirector interface. You may want to read Chapter 8 of Undocumented DOS, 2nd edition to get a feel for the DOS File System and Network Redirector (assuming you have that book). If you

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On 9/25/2015 7:12 AM, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Mercury, ... As far as I understand, you feel limited by the maximum file size of 2 or maybe 4 GB and maximum disk size of 2 TB? Then you may want to start with adding GPT support to the kernel. Yes. I think it would be a nice addition to FreeDOS to be

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Mercury, (note: 2 GB and one core are no problem even for DOS - but for example 8 GB and several cores are supported by almost nothing in DOS, as there are no nice DOS extenders for it) > I don't see where we need multitasking for NAS use. A program could be > made to both handle incoming

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

+1 Writing specs is useless if you are not going to put the engineering effort in. Let's see FreeDOS 1.2 released sometime soon. I don't want to sound harsh, but "drawing specs" is easy, anybody can do that. Do some code that actually works, then we're talking. Mateusz On 25/09/2015 03:44,

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Mercury, thanks for having a look at the existing solutions, keep us posted. Note that HFS+ is by Apple so it will also have license details. As Linux already supports HFS+ it seems that Apple is friendly on that. For ext2, note that you may be able to read ext3 and ext4 contents by

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On 9/24/2015 12:33 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > We could undercut the competition and make our own free FAT > implementation which does fills the same niche as exFAT. > Which will be extremely hard to do without interfering with those patents... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I don't want to sound harsh, but "drawing specs" is easy, anybody can do that. Do some code that actually works, then we're talking. Mateusz On 25/09/2015 03:44, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > I don't see where we need multitasking for NAS use. A program could be > made to both handle incoming

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

> I don't want to sound harsh, but "drawing specs" is easy, anybody can do > that. Do some code that actually works, then we're talking. +1 'talk is cheap' Tom -- ___

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Tom, as I have noticed that your drivesnapshot website also contains tools for exFAT support: What is your opinion about possible patent and licensing issues for exFAT? Regards, Eric >> I don't want to sound harsh, but "drawing specs" is easy, anybody can do >> that. Do some code that

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Eric, > as I have noticed that your drivesnapshot website also > contains tools for exFAT support: I had almost forgotten it's existence > What is your opinion > about possible patent and licensing issues for exFAT? I can google about as well as you, and read articles like

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Ralf, > ExFAT is indeed covered by Microsoft patents, the Samsung driver is said > to be in violation of those and should be avoided at all cost if you > don't want to risk patent litigation with M$ at some point... > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

ohnson [mailto:bretj...@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 7:59 PM > To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for > freedos sdxc support and more? > > It's very interesting that Linux appears to have a

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I think he meant "file system", not "file". > -Original Message- > From: Ralf Quint [mailto:freedos...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 9:14 PM > To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support fr

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi FreeDOS-ers, > We could undercut the competition and make our own free FAT > implementation which does fills the same niche as exFAT. Extremely unlikely to succeed! For example OGG Vorbis audio works very well and is free but still companies rather pay to license MP3. On Sony Smart TV

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Delving further into the story it looks like Samsung licensed it legally from MS and then a Samsung employee (illegally?) uploaded it to github. It all seems pretty sketchy to me. Do you really believe MS would give anything it still considers proprietary to Linux (or Samsung or ...) for PR?

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

=== > -Original Message- > From: Mercury Thirteen [mailto:mercury0x0...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:33 PM > To: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers. > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for > fr

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

We could undercut the competition and make our own free FAT implementation which does fills the same niche as exFAT. On 9/24/2015 3:22 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > My understanding is similar to Bret's. Also, I understand the exFAT > implementation on Android and other platforms was derived and

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I could write up a spec, but I don't have the time to make a full blown implementation at this point. I hope "remain compatible with DOS" does not equal "remain compatible with FAT 12/16/32" since the implementation I was envisioning would not offer any backward compatibility. Drives formatted

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Steve & Mercury, >> While I agree that further information would be welcome, >> I am generally optimistic about possibilities for exFAT. > > ...prolly best still to leave it to the network redirector, and keep it > out of the kernel proper, just in case. > > But perhaps it could be

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Jim Hall wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mercury Thirteen > wrote: >> We could undercut the competition and make our own free FAT >> implementation which does fills the same niche as exFAT. >> > > > I think that's a great idea! I encourage

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

That's all pretty true, but the way I see it, it doesn't matter - all the smartphones, cameras, MP3 players, etc. can use whatever stupidly encumbered format they wish. Undaunted, we can offer a new FAT to modernize the existing aged FAT variants, and folks are free to use it (or not) as they

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I don't see where we need multitasking for NAS use. A program could be made to both handle incoming requests while serving data and doing other tasks, eliminating the need for a proper multitasking kernel. Even if that was the case, the bloat of the Linux kernel would make it prohibitive in

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

I've already had the new kernel successfully probe the entire 2 GB in my VM. And that's not even with PAE added in yet. On 9/24/2015 9:23 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: Also,perhaps we should allow our new OS to "see" more RAM and memory.FreeDOS/DOS only "sees" a specific amount of RAM.I could

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi Mercury, so you want to run a NAS or home automation on DOS? For NAS, you need a multitasking OS, not DOS. For home automation, which limitation of FAT would be a problem? Same for other light embedded devices. Flash does not give good performance for FAT, but embedded devices would have

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

First thing I noticed (This may be just me.),is that we need more memory for the OS environment.Normally,when I boot FreeDOS on ANY computer (Be it modern or old),the memory is always 601 MB free.More memory would be needed for a bigger file system and multi-tasking. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:54

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

My understanding is similar to Bret's. Also, I understand the exFAT implementation on Android and other platforms was derived and licensed from Microsoft. It is patent-encumbered, and therefore cannot be merged with FreeDOS (or any code distributed under the GNU GPL, for example.) I would be very

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Also,perhaps we should allow our new OS to "see" more RAM and memory.FreeDOS/DOS only "sees" a specific amount of RAM.I could have 5GB of RAM,and it will only read 1MB,and so on with the computer cores. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:21 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU < jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org> wrote: >

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On Wed, 23 Sep 2015, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi, I noticed that since 2013, there is free open source exFAT > support for Linux, originally coming from Android, in spite of > exFAT being quite proprietary... IIRC, it's worse than proprietary, it's encumbered, right? -uso.

[Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi, I noticed that since 2013, there is free open source exFAT support for Linux, originally coming from Android, in spite of exFAT being quite proprietary... However, as memory cards above 32 GB size and probably other (embedded) devices will probably use exFAT more often in the future, would it

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Hi again, > Maybe some DOSers want to have a look at the exFAT driver code, > to check complexity: https://github.com/dorimanx/exfat-nofuse Some other interesting links are: https://github.com/relan/exfat and: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT#Adoption which states that one of the drivers

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On 9/23/2015 2:45 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > Hi again, > >> Maybe some DOSers want to have a look at the exFAT driver code, >> to check complexity: https://github.com/dorimanx/exfat-nofuse > Some other interesting links are: > > https://github.com/relan/exfat > > and: > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

It's very interesting that Linux appears to have a legitimately licensed implementation, which I think means they had to pay some money to MS? Could that license (via GPL?) perhaps be extended to downstream implementations based on it, like FreeDOS? The licensing implications are certainly a

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

Story of the century:The FreeDOS project sued by M$ for using a simple 16 bit file that is outdated.I would have a good laugh at that one.Then again,it wouldn't be very funny... On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 9/23/2015 2:45 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

On 9/23/2015 6:11 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: > Story of the century:The FreeDOS project sued by M$ for using a simple > 16 bit file that is outdated.I would have a good laugh at that > one.Then again,it wouldn't be very funny... > What outdated 16 bit file? :? Bottom line, I would not