Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

I just wanted to say that I thank M Brutman for this great software that he has given us for all these years. I may have missed it, but I have not noticed anyone saying it lately and I think that it needs to be said. I have gotten a lot of use out of it, and appreciate the work he has put into

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On 9/9/2015 11:45 PM, Antony Gordon wrote: > > Wow, > > This is the most activity I've seen on this list in a while, and it's > a temper tantrum of sorts over whether someone has the right to close > source or open source something they wrote. > Tantrums? Here? *gasp* Never... [/sarcasm] >

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Well, I don't know how hard it would be to port picoTCO (GPL v.2) to DOS: http://docs.picotcp.com/user_doc.pdf http://www.picotcp.com/about/ Heard about it from FOSDEM 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO4liMJZ0Qg also http://video.fosdem.org/2014/AW1121/Sunday/PicoTCP.webm

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Getting booted over a simple statement isn't even something to worry about.I think the only person who decides that would be Jim. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > On 10/09/2015 19:23, Paul Dufresne wrote: > > Well, I don't know how hard it would be to

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On 10/09/2015 19:23, Paul Dufresne wrote: > Well, I don't know how hard it would be to port picoTCO (GPL v.2) to DOS: There is also lwip that looks very solid - highly active, BSD license, stable IPv6 support, designed to be lightweight and portable. And there's already a DOS port of it! made

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Hi guys, I've been coding free (as in use for no costs) software since 1994, with 60 thousand lines of code. ;-) It's open source but not exactly free (as in you may modify, republish it etc.) software. Since about 2010, not only I have no time to develop it but it also became obsolete, and

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Hi all, Why are we doing so difficult about something that somebody not want to do. It is his thing and we have two options: - using the old one. - search for another one. I don't want to be annoying but it is the case. Maarten Op 9 sep. 2015 06:57 schreef "Steve Nickolas"

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

from Maarten Vermeulen: > Why are we doing so difficult about something that somebody not want to > do. It is his thing and we have two options: > - using the old one. > - search for another one. > I don't want to be annoying but it is the case. > Maarten > Op 9 sep. 2015 06:57 schreef "Steve

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Hi Joe! Em Wed, 9 Sep 2015 10:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Joe Forster/STA escreveu: > But now I'm creating my own - GNU-style, generalized - utilities for > processing database exports for my job. They haven't been released > yet but I already wrote into all of them: "released into

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Ralf,I would ask that you take a breather.It is his program,he may do whatever he wishes with it. On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 9/8/2015 7:46 PM, Michael Brutman wrote: > > > > I don't know how to respond to this; > Well, just don't. > This guy is

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On 9/9/2015 4:00 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: > Ralf,I would ask that you take a breather.It is his program,he may do > whatever he wishes with it. > Well, maybe you should actually read my reply, as that is exactly what I am saying... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Wow, This is the most activity I've seen on this list in a while, and it's a temper tantrum of sorts over whether someone has the right to close source or open source something they wrote. Talk about comedy. So how are those bugs looking on the bug list in FreeDOS? Yeah, I probably just got

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Woops,typo.I meant to type "can't". On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 12:50 PM, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU < jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org> wrote: > I read a few heated emails.Let's all calm down and discuss this.So,I > understand that the current version of M/TCP isn't open sourced.That's > fine.We still have one from

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

I read a few heated emails.Let's all calm down and discuss this.So,I understand that the current version of M/TCP isn't open sourced.That's fine.We still have one from two years ago,which is not THAT outdated.It's not like people are going to try connecting CORTANA to DOS.So there is really no

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

I'm sure within a month or two's time,he will have completed the current version and move on to the next version,henceforth releasing the "Older" so to speak,source code.And if not,it's not like the users can't just download it and install/utilize it themselves. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:09 AM,

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bruno, > Em Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:37:18 -0700 Michael Brutman > escreveu: > >> If the lack of source code prevents you from using mTCP I regret >> that and I encourage you to question your assumption that without >> source

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

I don't know how to respond to this; I've been stewing about it all day. First, some facts: The 2013-05-23 version consists of at least 71 files and totals around 39913 lines of code. Documentation is not counted in those totals. I started the project in late 2005. The source code was released

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 17:09:53 +0200, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote: > I regret that you've released it as non-free software. I wonder what > do you want to achieve, besides power over the users of your package. > You are denying them a freedom they deserve to have No

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

>> On 9/7/2015 6:37 PM, Michael Brutman wrote: >> >> ... >> I think that whether it is open source or not it is still a great solution >> for DOS networking. If the lack of source code prevents you from using mTCP >> I regret that and I encourage you to question your assumption that without >>

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Em Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:37:18 -0700 Michael Brutman escreveu: > If the lack of source code prevents you from using mTCP I regret that > and I encourage you to question your assumption that without source > code it is not "clean" or "good" enough for you. I regret that

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015, Michael Brutman wrote: > I am not denying anybody their freedom. People can choose to use what they > want. I have given people a great set of networking tools that make > FreeDOS and other flavors of DOS more useful. You have ranted like a > little child because this year

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On 9/7/2015 6:37 PM, Michael Brutman wrote: ... I think that whether it is open source or not it is still a great solution for DOS networking. If the lack of source code prevents you from using mTCP I regret that and I encourage you to question your assumption that without source code it

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Hello all, I just picked a random email, but thanks for all the answers. :p Op 7 sep. 2015 22:37 schreef "Barry de Graaff" : > > > Why is it important to have it open source? > > Because: > > 1. I do read the source, and also compare between versions the changes so I can

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Hi, Please don't panic. There are better things to worry about. Just to clarify: - The source for the 2013-05-23 version is available and always will be. That particular release was probably near perfect because very few people ever ask for more features or send bug reports. - The source for

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Sadly, it would mean that specific version of mTCP could not be included in FD. On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > > > On 9/7/2015 6:37 PM, Michael Brutman wrote: > > ... > I think that whether it is open source or not it is still a great solution

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

No, I understand that. I mean nothing would prevent a user from manually utilizing it in the future if they deem it necessary. On 9/7/2015 11:33 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: > Sadly, it would mean that specific version of mTCP could not be included in > FD. > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:31 PM,

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

in freedos. Thanks you all for your comments, Barry http://www.barrydegraaff.tk/vc Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:37:18 -0700 From: mbbrut...@brutman.com To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source Hi, Please don't panic

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On 9/7/2015 1:36 PM, Barry de Graaff wrote: > Why is it important to have it open source? Because: 1. I do read the source, and also compare between versions the changes so I can decide if I need/want the new changes. 2. I actually change software from time to time and also merge my changes

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

I've never been able to get a working DOS network.I can't even get my FreeDOS laptop to 'talk' to my windows desktop. On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 9/7/2015 1:36 PM, Barry de Graaff wrote: > > > Why is it important to have it open source? > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015, Maarten Vermeulen wrote: Hi, My question here is why do you want that. I don't want to be irritating (which I probably am now). Why is it important to have it open source? It's FreeDOS, after all. Can't include stuff that isn't Free®™© ;) However, it's my personal

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

> Why is it important to have it open source?Because:1. I do read the source, > and also compare between versions the changes so I can decide if I need/want > the new changes.2. I actually change software from time to time and also > merge my changes upstream3. I prefer free-software out of

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Hello, Maarten! Em Mon, 7 Sep 2015 20:40:56 +0200 Maarten Vermeulen escreveu: > Why is it important to have it open source? Please, see "Why we must insist on Free Software"[0] and "Why 'Open Source' misses the point of Free Software"[1]. Just my 2 cents. Footnotes:

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

Hi Maarten, Barry, Bruno and of course Michael, > Why is it important to have it open source? While I have not read this code either, nor contributed to it, I generally appreciate a possibility to read it. In that sense, it is a pity that code currently is not open. I am sure there would be