Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:49 AM, Nils Stavlid wrote: > Dear all,,, personally I like it whenever topics spiral out on a side track > like in this case. > ... As do I! It's refreshing to see all the diversity of thought in everyday FreeDOS users. Cool stuff!

Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Nils Stavlid
Dear all,,, personally I like it whenever topics spiral out on a side track like in this case. It’s refreshing and we can always choose to ignore each other’s views if we want to. A quote with some relevance to this: “Let’s be clear: the work of science has

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter (was IDE <-> CF adapters)

2021-03-10 Thread dmccunney
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 5:07 PM Jon Brase wrote: > On 3/9/21 4:35 PM, dmccunney wrote: > > As a general rule, consumer machines are I/O bound, not compute bound. > > The CPU spends most of its time in an idle loop waiting for stuff to > > be read from/written to disk. > > Actually, as a general

Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Aitor Santamaría
Hi, Indeed the discussion became offtopic. Eric incidentally hit a different sensitive spot of mine... (sorry!) On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 23:57, Eric Auer wrote: > If you are interested in alive dragons, visit a Komodo Dragon. > Those lizards do have some dragon-like properties, but they are >

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Audio

2021-03-10 Thread Volkert via Freedos-user
Interesting to read about the possibility of patching in support for newer southbridges, Michał. Can you provide a link to any more information on that? I tried googling a bit, including seraches limited to the Vogons forum, but nothing came up. thanks. On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 5:45 PM Michał Dec

Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! First, a short note to Dave, Mercury and Random: You can safely ignore the mails with "[OT]" in the subject, as the thread has been forked to keep faith and BIOS separate topics. Thanks :-) https://www.discovery.org/m/2020/04/Scientific-Dissent-from-Darwinism-List-04072020.pdf> "The

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
dmccunney composed on 2021-03-10 16:56 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> dmccunney composed on 2021-03-09 17:35 (UTC-0500): >>> ...It has 20GB RAM >> What is that, a pair of 2GB and a pair of 8GB? > Nope. It has four DRAM slots, and came with 16GB as four 4GB sticks > in those slots. I

Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Dave Salyers
I agree. I’m on this list to discuss FreeDOS not religious opinions. Thanks! Dave Salyers On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:24 PM Random Liegh via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Is this a conversation that really needed to happen on a public, > technical list? > > No, it

Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
Agreed. I guess we can thank Tom for that! lol Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:23 PM, Random Liegh via Freedos-user wrote: > Is this a conversation that really needed to happen on a public, > technical list? > > No, it is

Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Random Liegh via Freedos-user
Is this a conversation that really needed to happen on a public, technical list? No, it is not. It could and should have been moved to private emails. I'd like to request that it continue there so the rest of us aren't forced to have our inboxes filled with unwanted nonsense. Thanks!

Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
tom ehlert composed on 2021-03-10 22:15 (UTC+0100): > "Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, > is based on faith, not on science." That's a signature block.

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter (was IDE <-> CF adapters)

2021-03-10 Thread Jon Brase
On 3/9/21 4:35 PM, dmccunney wrote: As a general rule, consumer machines are I/O bound, not compute bound. The CPU spends most of its time in an idle loop waiting for stuff to be read from/written to disk. Actually, as a general rule, on a consumer machine, both the CPU and the disk spend

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Eric Auer
Hi everybody, my impression of "evolution is faith, not science" is that it is a bit like "my leg is not broken until I believe it" but actually I rarely read signatures at all, so I have not even NOTICED Felix' statement until Tom complained about it. Sure, free speech could let you say

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread dmccunney
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:00 PM Felix Miata wrote: > dmccunney composed on 2021-03-09 17:35 (UTC-0500): > > > The current desktop uses a quad core Intel i5 CPU and 3.5 ghz, with an > > automatic turbo mode to 3.9 ghz. It has 20GB RAM > What is that, a pair of 2GB and a pair of 8GB? Nope. It

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter (was IDE <-> CF adapters)

2021-03-10 Thread Jon Brase
On 3/10/21 10:50 AM, dmccunney wrote: The fascinating bit for me is that the distinction between RAM and disk is steadily blurring. Things like nVME make it possible to have what works like RAM but is non-volatile storage whose content will survive a reboot. We are just scratching the

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
I'll step in for a brief moment to answer this in my own way prior to Felix doing so. Sorry, Felix. :) As to why you must be "annoyed" by anyone else's choice of email signature, I would point out the Christo-American concept of free speech. Felix has complete freedom to say whatever he wants

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter (was IDE <-> CF adapters)

2021-03-10 Thread Jon Brase
Accidentally responded to Liam instead of the whole list, resending. On 3/9/21 3:40 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 22:28, Jon Brase wrote: On 3/3/21 7:30 AM, Liam Proven wrote: Yes. Use a disk manager. It will install a tiny overlay before the OS boots and that will allow you

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Alvah Whealton
I'm not annoyed. Al On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 4:17 PM tom ehlert wrote: > > "Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, > is based on faith, not on science." > > either give us a pointer why you think you must annoy us with that, > or please stop with that (mostly religious)

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread tom ehlert
"Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science." either give us a pointer why you think you must annoy us with that, or please stop with that (mostly religious) nonsense. Tom ___ Freedos-user

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

2021-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
dmccunney composed on 2021-03-09 17:35 (UTC-0500): > The current desktop uses a quad core Intel i5 CPU and 3.5 ghz, with an > automatic turbo mode to 3.9 ghz. It has 20GB RAM What is that, a pair of 2GB and a pair of 8GB? -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter (was IDE <-> CF adapters)

2021-03-10 Thread dmccunney
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:10 AM Liam Proven wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 23:37, dmccunney wrote: > > > > On my old XT clone, I had a replacement 10mhz motherboard with a NEC > > v20 CPU. The V20 was compatible with the Intel 8088, but had better > > microcode, for a cheap 5% speedup. It had

Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter (was IDE <-> CF adapters)

2021-03-10 Thread Liam Proven
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 23:37, dmccunney wrote: > > On my old XT clone, I had a replacement 10mhz motherboard with a NEC > v20 CPU. The V20 was compatible with the Intel 8088, but had better > microcode, for a cheap 5% speedup. It had 640K RAM and two Seagate > ST-225 MFM HDs. I got it an AST-