Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Jim Hall
Yes, Microsoft actually released the source to MS-DOS twice. Once under a license that was not friendly to open source, and again much later under the MIT license. The second release is significant because the MIT license is compatible with the GNU GPL that we use in the FreeDOS kernel and other

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Jon Brase
This is much more recently than I think you're thinking: https://github.com/Microsoft/MS-DOS Dec 24, 2021 22:42:44 Travis Siegel : > That was caldera that released their opendos  as opensource, not Microsoft. > > There were versions of ms dos that escaped into the wild, but it wasn't a >

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Travis Siegel
That was caldera that released their opendos  as opensource, not Microsoft. There were versions of ms dos that escaped into the wild, but it wasn't a sanctioned release from microsoft. On 12/24/2021 4:59 PM, Jim Hall wrote: On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 2:11 PM Jon Brase wrote: They're not

[Freedos-user] Jemmex and Semware editor

2021-12-24 Thread joseph.norton
Hi listers: I have the Semware Editor, big brother to Qedit. I can use it fine under MS-DOS with EMM386.EXE, but, when I try to use it under FreeDOS with the default config, I get something like this: JemmEx: exception 06 occured at CS:EIP=:0707, ERRC=

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Wengier W via Freedos-user
I understand what you were saying. But remember that FreeDOS as an open-source project was created back in the 1990s, and more than 20 years had passed since then. Similarly, Linux as an open-source project was also created in the 1990s, and it has been getting mainstream support. There should

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 5:47 PM Wengier W via Freedos-user wrote: > > I certainly hope to see more people using DOS/FreeDOS as the only (or > primary) operating system. However, without things like full support for > Internet and modern hardware (modern sound card, USB devices, etc) this >

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2142, Issue 5

2021-12-24 Thread Louis Santillan
I also have HP t5745 thin clients (Intel Atom 1.66GHz 1C/2T, 1GB-4GB RAM, 2GB DOM) and I very much prefer it's BIOS. You can stick any format USB drive in it and DOS (FreeDOS or MS DOS 6.22 or 7) will mount it. And it has a total of 6 USB ports! I also bought the expansion module for it that

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2142, Issue 5

2021-12-24 Thread Daniel
I have a Wyse VX0 V10LE and I admit I haven’t tested FreeDOS on it. If I am able to get anothe DOM (Disk On Module), I would love to see if it works on the system. The cpu is 1.2ghz, RAM is 1gb, and the DOM is 16gb. Originally came with a Windows 98/XP dual boot. Currently running Windows 98

Re: [Freedos-user] Now it gets odd Re: FreeDOS workaround for hidden IDE controller?

2021-12-24 Thread Louis Santillan
Apologies for the zombie thread revival. I recently bought 3 of these Wyse SX0 thin clients and I can confirm that FreeDOS 1.3-RC5 (and worse!) and FDISK are buggy on it. I think the reality is that BIOS and USB boot code is only partially complete and just enough to boot into a more modern OS

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Wengier W via Freedos-user
I certainly hope to see more people using DOS/FreeDOS as the only (or primary) operating system. However, without things like full support for Internet and modern hardware (modern sound card, USB devices, etc) this cannot occur, unfortunately. IMO, DOS/FreeDOS need to support things just like

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Louis Santillan
And beyond industrial systems, it is sometimes common to see DOS (and FreeDOS especially) used as part of firmware flashing processes for BIOS, IDE, SCSI, SATA, SAS, HBA, Ethernet and WiFi controllers especially in enterprise and network hardware. On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:08 AM Travis Siegel

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread John Vella
I'm going to make it my new year project to finish getting the 80486 pc working, and once I've upgraded the memory, (4 Meg isn't going to be enough, is it?) I'll be using freedos as the only operating system for my distraction free writing pc. On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, 22:00 Jim Hall, wrote: > On

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:50 AM Bryan Kilgallin wrote: > > The comment against open-source DOS is at the end of this discussion. > See after 26 minutes. ,<...> The concern I see is "legacy" code. There are millions of lines of legacy code in production. They were tested and debugged, and

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Jim Hall
On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 2:11 PM Jon Brase wrote: > They're not talking about it in the context of log4j itself, they're > talking about it in the context of other open source projects, that > don't have something like the Apache foundation behind them, that > are critical infrastructure, but have

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Jon Brase
I should probably add to my previous message that I don't think that the possibility that someone might expose FreeDOS in a business-critical embedded system to the network means it shouldn't be maintained, just that such an opinion isn't completely far-fetched.

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Jon Brase
They're not talking about it in the context of log4j itself, they're talking about it in the context of other open source projects, that don't have something like the Apache foundation behind them, that are critical infrastructure, but have one or two maintainers working on them as a labor of

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/24/2021 11:06 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: Someone really should tell these guys that dos is still widely used in industrial processes today, wonder what they'd say about that. :) That's part of the problem, those are university goons, they don't live in the real world... >:) Ralf ;-)

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Travis Siegel
Someone really should tell these guys that dos is still widely used in industrial processes today, wonder what they'd say about that. :) On 12/24/2021 12:53 PM, Parodper wrote: O 24/12/21 ás 18:30, Ralf Quint escribiu: On 12/24/2021 4:48 AM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: The comment against

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/24/2021 9:53 AM, Parodper wrote: O 24/12/21 ás 18:30, Ralf Quint escribiu: On 12/24/2021 4:48 AM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: The comment against open-source DOS is at the end of this discussion. See after 26 minutes. https://youtu.be/Opqgwn8TdlM I really wonder how that would effect DOS,

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Parodper
O 24/12/21 ás 18:30, Ralf Quint escribiu: On 12/24/2021 4:48 AM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: The comment against open-source DOS is at the end of this discussion. See after 26 minutes. https://youtu.be/Opqgwn8TdlM I really wonder how that would effect DOS, after all there is no web interface, nor

Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/24/2021 4:48 AM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: The comment against open-source DOS is at the end of this discussion. See after 26 minutes. https://youtu.be/Opqgwn8TdlM I really wonder how that would effect DOS, after all there is no web interface, nor any Java in (Free)DOS. So (without having

[Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

2021-12-24 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
The comment against open-source DOS is at the end of this discussion. See after 26 minutes. https://youtu.be/Opqgwn8TdlM -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net