Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-10 Thread Dale E Sterner
Thanks for giving it straight. I was thinking TRIM was a kind of screen saver for hard drives, keeping over worked cells from being burned out. I never though about speed since all cells in solid state devices are accessed at the same speed no matter where they are on the drive, but they can be

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-07 Thread Bret Johnson
Just as an FYI, USB flash drives (a.k.a. thumb drives, pen drives. etc.) do something similar but it's called wear-leveling instead of TRIM. In flash drives, though, it's all automatic (built into the hardware/firmware of the drive) and you never see it or interact with it directly. The flash

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-07 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > Good explanation Thanks Not really... > In other word TRIM keeps the cells from being over worked, > so each cell takes part of the load. This is very new to me. No, the disk already distributes the stress automatically. But knowing which areas of the disk are currently unused helps to

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-07 Thread Dale E Sterner
Good explanation Thanks In other word TRIM keeps the cells from being over worked, so each cell takes part of the load. This is very new to me. How can I tell if TRIM is present. Is there a file called trim.exe. cheers DS On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:18:48 +0100 Tom Ehlert writes: > >> Trim sounds

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Pär Moberg
One idiot-prof way to install freedos would be by deploying a disk image to the ssd in some automated fashion. In other words, give no options to the user. I have no experience of doing this automatically so I cannot help you there, manually I use dd on Linux to do this when I need to. Den tis 6

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Cuvtixo D
Rayman Bathurst- Hi, -I'm impressed with your cred with CP/M and PDPs. But, maybe you're so experienced that it's difficult to ask questions as a newbie? I mean, did you skip right into Windows from there or do you have any experience with IBM-, MS- or DR-DOS? Also, for example, it's difficult to

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! To install FreeDOS on SSD is basically the same as on harddisk. If the disk is totally empty, you will have to use FDISK /MBR or similar to make booting work - just using SYS will not be enough. Otherwise, SSD are almost like fast harddisks. Other differences which exist are not noticed by

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread stecdose
Tom, this is exactly what I said. To *support* round robin, not to do round robin. Support in the meaning of helping someone/something with a task. Nils On 11/06/2018 07:18 PM, Tom Ehlert wrote: Trim sounds like the old standard "defrag program" which should be unneeded for flash since all

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Tom Ehlert
>> Trim sounds like the old standard "defrag program" which should >> be unneeded for flash since all bits get accessed at the same speed. >> No spinning disk to move around on. wrong. > Trim is used for equal usage of memory-cells. It is a mechanism to > support round-robin usage of those

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread stecdose
On 11/06/2018 05:34 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: Trim sounds like the old standard "defrag program" which should be unneeded for flash since all bits get accessed at the same speed. No spinning disk to move around on. Trim is used for equal usage of memory-cells. It is a mechanism to support

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Dale E Sterner
Dennis I'm a little behind the times so can you correct my mistakes here. SSD stands for "solid state drive" which is flash memory with a SATA interface. This should be the same as using a CF chip with a SATA adapter. Trim sounds like the old standard "defrag program" which should be unneeded for

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Raymond Bathurst
embre 2018 08:51 À : Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Objet : Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD rufus will make a USB or a CF bootable with the PC (which has the fixed SSD). The difficulty is making the fixed SSD bootable. The DOS working files can be copied from a convenient

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Tom Ehlert
: lundi 5 novembre 2018 20:31 > À : Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. > Objet : Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD > >>> Can anyone recommend an IDIOT-proof method of installing FreeDOS 1.2 on >>> a fixed SSD drive (with no OS) via one of several USB

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-06 Thread Raymond Bathurst
Mercedes to move a box of chocolates down the road. Thank you for your comments. De : Tom Ehlert Envoyé : lundi 5 novembre 2018 20:31 À : Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Objet : Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD >> Can anyone recommend an IDIOT

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-05 Thread Pär Moberg
If I understand correctly, TRIM is used on SSDs without dram cache to clean up the drive after a cirtain number of writes so the drive can keep its speed up. I take this information from this video https://youtu.be/v7YBCynA-b0 (they are not fool prof but it seems logical.) So as I understand it,

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-05 Thread dmccunney
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:50 PM Rugxulo wrote: > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:23 AM Raymond Bathurst wrote: > > > > Can anyone recommend an IDIOT-proof method of installing FreeDOS 1.2 on > > a fixed SSD drive (with no OS) via one of several USB ports ? > > I don't have any SSDs, though, and you need

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-05 Thread Tom Ehlert
>> Can anyone recommend an IDIOT-proof method of installing FreeDOS 1.2 on >> a fixed SSD drive (with no OS) via one of several USB ports ? 1st, a fixed SSD behaves *exactly* like a ((fast) rotating disk. 2nd, I have no idea how much IDIOT you are, but most likely ANYDOS is not your best

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-05 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:23 AM Raymond Bathurst wrote: > > Can anyone recommend an IDIOT-proof method of installing FreeDOS 1.2 on > a fixed SSD drive (with no OS) via one of several USB ports ? I don't have any SSDs, though, and you need an OS with "TRIM" support (which apparently even

[Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

2018-11-01 Thread Raymond Bathurst
Can anyone recommend an IDIOT-proof method of installing FreeDOS 1.2 on a fixed SSD drive (with no OS) via one of several USB ports ? Many thanks ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net