Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-10-01 Thread Louis Santillan
I've documented my process for getting doslinux working on real hardware [0]. Not too bad. `ftpget`, `wget`, and `httpd` applets are included [1] in busybox. I think with a little more work, static binary versions of many apps would work. Shouldn't be that hard to statically build in the

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM Jason Pittman wrote: > > I know nothing about BusyBox, so I'm going to ask a dumb question. Does DSL > allow you to, say, install apt (or another package manager), gcc, make, etc., > or does it only allow you to run the common linux commands shown on the >

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-29 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
I've never used DSL, but I have used BusyBox back in my Android dev days. So: Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:33 PM, Jason Pittman wrote: > I know nothing about BusyBox, so I'm going to ask a dumb

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-29 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
"Does DSL allow you to, say, install apt (or another package manager), gcc, make, etc.," No. "or does it only allow you to run the common linux commands shown on the BusyBox website?" Yes. Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-29 Thread Jason Pittman
I know nothing about BusyBox, so I'm going to ask a dumb question. Does DSL allow you to, say, install apt (or another package manager), gcc, make, etc., or does it only allow you to run the common linux commands shown on the BusyBox website? (And on a side note, has anyone actually gotten it

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread Regan Russell
From: Thomas Mueller Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 9:04 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS I remember, from DR-DOS website (drdos.com to the best of my memory), in their later years DR-DOS c

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread dmccunney
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:35 PM Jim Hall wrote: > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:06 PM Thomas Mueller wrote: >> >> [..] >> I remember there was a DR-DOS 8 that used GPL parts from FreeDOS, but that >> had to be withdrawn from the market due to legal challenges, using >> open-source GPL parts in a

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:06 PM Thomas Mueller wrote: > [..] > I remember there was a DR-DOS 8 that used GPL parts from FreeDOS, but that > had to be withdrawn from the market due to legal challenges, using > open-source GPL parts in a closed-source system. > > Yes, I was one of the folks who

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread Thomas Mueller
I remember, from DR-DOS website (drdos.com to the best of my memory), in their later years DR-DOS could load Linux and come back to DR-DOS after the user exited from Linux. As far as I could see, it was not possible to run DOS and Linux software concurrently. I never tried that, believe

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread dmccunney
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:41 AM Louis Santillan wrote: > > The author freely admits running DOS & Linux side-by-side this way is > a fragile coordination [0]. I doubt that redirection would work as > one might desire. The recently updated ascii demo [1] shows calling > various DOS and Linux

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread Jim Hall
After poking around the GitHub project, this is actually a very clever thing. Looks like he's using VM86 mode (requires '386 or later CPU) to instantiate a dedicated Linux kernel with BusyBox to run the Linux commands. This is not bringing up a full Linux installation in a VM - this is only the

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread Louis Santillan
The author freely admits running DOS & Linux side-by-side this way is a fragile coordination [0]. I doubt that redirection would work as one might desire. The recently updated ascii demo [1] shows calling various DOS and Linux commands, and, shows creating a text file with `dsl vi hello.txt` and

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-23 Thread Eric Auer
Hi everybody, I would predict doslinux to be a variant of a Linux loader, so my questions here are: Can Linux safely write to the DOS partition while running? What are the limitations to return to DOS after using Linux? Is it possible to switch between DOS and Linux without having to reboot

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-22 Thread Louis Santillan
If "doslinux" can boot enough of Linux to enable drivers or access to devices or software that FreeDOS or BIOS has no interfaces for (USB, NVMe, SMP, NFS, FUSE, newer NICs such as 1GbE+ or WiFI networking), I think it makes for some interesting possibilities. And, it potentially opens up FreeDOS

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-22 Thread Jim Hall
I had a brief twitter conversation with him when he originally announced it on twitter. The first announcement used MS-DOS, but he was able to get this to work with FreeDOS too. Once he confirmed it worked with FreeDOS, I posted a tweet on it:

Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-22 Thread Louis Santillan
Ohand it runs in UnReal Mode?!?! [0][1] Super interesting. [0] https://github.com/charliesome/doslinux/blob/master/doslinux.asm#L239-L247 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_mode On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 1:24 PM Louis Santillan wrote: > > In case you missed it, DOS Subsystem for Linux

[Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

2020-09-22 Thread Louis Santillan
In case you missed it, DOS Subsystem for Linux [0][1] was announced on HackerNews. Think of it something like WINE, or, something like DPMILD32/HXRT/HXGUI Japeth's HX DOS Extender, but for Linux on top of DOS. A couple interesting things to note: 1) It needs to run w/o XMS [2], 2) It seems to