Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Ulrich Hansen]

From: Ulrich Hansen 


> Am 24.04.2017 um 07:07 schrieb Dan Schmidt :
>
> Is this thread still about wireless for Dos?  If not, sorry for posting.
>
> If so, I bought a wireless to ethernet bridge - smaller than a deck of cards,
runs on usb power - works great for my Dos machine.  I tried a wifi card that
supposedly supported dos - never could get it working, threw it away in
disgust.

This sounds interesting. Is it something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TQEX8BO/ref=psdc_300189_t2_B00HZWOQZ6
Thanks for the hint.
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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Dale E Sterner]

From: Dale E Sterner 

The win 7 was a 32 bit copy purchased on Amazon.
The software was a dvd converter to convert dvds to mp4.
It didn't work on XP so I wanted to try it on win 7; didn't work
there either. The 1st activation was slow painful and
successful. Win 7 gave warning about making changes.
I followed all instructions to the letter.
The message came from win 7. If you are connected
to wifi I think it does the reactivation automatically and
quietly.


cheers
DS


On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:58:06 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Dale E Sterner 
> wrote:
>
> > I installed win 7 on a laptop to see what it could do but not to
> use it.
>
> Where did you get the copy of Win7 you installed?
>
> > The laptop doesn't have an internet connection so had to use the
> > phone method.to  Install it.
>
> Are you certain that worked correctly?
>
> > I installed software that I bought to see what it  would do on win
> 7.
>
> What software was this?
>
> > A lot of of message boxes came up giving me 24 hours to reactive
> > or it would shut down forever.
>
> Did those messages come from Win7 or the software you installed?
>
> > I left the test software on being affraid that if I removed it, it
> would
> > do it again. Win 7 is now on my junk software list.
>
> I'm afraid my take from here is pilot error.  When you don't
> actually
> know what you're doing, problems arise.
>
> You got DOS and DOS apps in the old days, got them to where you
> wanted, and stopped.  If what you have does what you need, splendid.
> If it doesn't, you are looking at stepping beyond DOS.  That will
> mean
> either a flavor of Windows or a flavor of Linux.  Either way,
> there's
> a learning curve you're stuck with, and you need to learn more about
> and better understand what your options are.
>
> Proceeding without knowledge is a good way to shoot yourself in
> *both* feet.
>
> > cheers
> > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Dale E Sterner]

From: Dale E Sterner 

On Ebay I purchased a cd with unreleased Corel dos
software. There would have been a 5.6 version had it been
released. Some woman got it from a boyfriend who
worked for Corel and then sold it on Ebay for about $150.
I was high bid.

cheers
DS


On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 20:10:45 + "Thomas Mueller" 
writes:
> > I have Qpro 5.6 but haven't used it yet. Still using version 3
> > The macros are powerful and a lot earier to use than
> > Excel. Version 5.6 is said to have a solver built in
> > like TK solver. One of these days I'll find out.
>
> > cheers
> > DS
>
> Last Qpro version for DOS was 5.  Was there a 5.6?  DOS or Windows?
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Dale E Sterner]

From: Dale E Sterner 

I installed win 7 on a laptop to see what it could do but not to
use it. The laptop doesn't have an internet connection so had
to use the phone method.to  Install it. I installed software that I
bought to
see what it  would do on win 7. Alot of of message boxes came
up giving me 24 hours to reactive or it would shut down forever.
I left the test software on being affraid that if I removed it, it would
do it again. Win 7 is now on my junk software list.



cheers
DS



On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:06:59 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Dale E Sterner 
> wrote:
> > With windows if your PC dies and you want to move
> > to a dupicate and keep running - your out of luck.
>
> Not really.  Been there, done that.
>
> On my old, built-from components PC, I moved XP several times.  I
> made
> changes to the underlying system and Windows wanted to
> reauthenticate.
>
> The time before last, online authentication failed, and I wound up
> speaking to a Microsoft rep. His concern was solely that I wasn't
> trying to run the *same* copy of Windows on more than one machine at
> a
> time.  "Nope.  Same physical machine.  I had a hardware failure and
> had to get a new motherboard."  He got me authenticated.
>
> The next time I had to do so, online authentication worked with no
> issues - MS had made changes to the online authentication site, and
> whatever made it fail before no longer bit.
>
> > Windows ability to detect small changes is amazing -
> > it just wants to stop.
>
> Windows has an intimate relationship with the hardware.  It *is* an
> OS.  If you *make* hardware changes, it will notice.  Whether it
> wants
> to stop will depend on the hardware you changed.  Video cards, hard
> drives, and RAM shouldn't cause a problem.  Motherboard changes
> will.
> As far as Windows is concerned, that's a new machine.
>
> > Win 7 is such a pain to deal with I think even DOS could beat it.
>
> I've run Win7, and can't agree.  I was quite happy with Win7.  These
> days, I run Win10, and I'm generally pleased with it.  (I run the
> Pro
> version in both cases.)
>
> It follows the "every *other* release of Windows is decent" pattern.
> I avoided Vista like the plague, but was happy with Win7.  I avoided
> 8.1 but am generally pleased with Win10.
>
> Of course, I have the hardware to properly support it, and know what
> I'm doing.
>
> The current desktop is a replacement for a failed older one.  The
> older one came with Win7, and I upgraded to Win10.  I'd done that on
> three laptops with no issues.  The desktop was "new and different
> Win10 BSODs - collect the whole set!", and I was.  The new machine
> is
> rock solid and stable, but it's also faster and more powerful
> hardware.  My conclusion was that the older machine could run Win7
> but
> wasn't really up to Win10, even though it would install without
> issues.  (One annoying quirk was that it was a quad-core machine but
> Win10 only saw two cores.  The Xeon CPU is used wasn't on the
> "supported by Win10 list Intel maintains.  The i5-2400 in the new
> box
> is, and Win10 sees and uses all four cores.)
>
> Something like that happened in the Win Vista days.  MS wanted
> everyone on Vista, but some of the hardware in the pipeline wasn't
> really up to running it.  (Mostly, inadequate video.)  MS created a
> new level of certification - Vista Capable - so hardware vendors
> could
> put it on the box.  Jim Allchin, who was SVP in charge of Windows
> development at the time, was livid.  He felt, correctly, that the
> hardware would not provide a good experience for users and that MS
> would get yet another black eye in the marketplace.  MS really
> should
> have waited 6 months for a new generation of hardware that would
> properly support Vista, but wanted to make XP go away.
>
> > Every time I install new software it wants to be
> > reauthenticated.
>
> Win7?  That never happened here.  Are you sure it got properly
> authenticated in the first place?
>
> What new software triggers a request for reauthentication?
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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Thomas Mueller]

From: "Thomas Mueller" 

> I have Qpro 5.6 but haven't used it yet. Still using version 3
> The macros are powerful and a lot earier to use than
> Excel. Version 5.6 is said to have a solver built in
> like TK solver. One of these days I'll find out.

> cheers
> DS

Last Qpro version for DOS was 5.  Was there a 5.6?  DOS or Windows?

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Dale E Sterner]

From: Dale E Sterner 

The packet driver link for dos come up FORBIDDEN.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:49:46 +0200 Ulrich Hansen 
writes:
> Several years ago I wrote everything I could find out about DOS and
> Wifi here:
>
> http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/WiFi
>
> If anybody finds out more about it, please give some feedback...
>
>
> > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:07:35 -0400 dmccunney
> 
> > writes:
> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner
> >>  wrote:
> >>> I see that someone on Ebay is selling an HP mini
> >>> with a FREEDOS os installed. All the HP minis that
> >>> I've seen have wifi & bluetooth built in. That would
> >>> mean an 802.11 client to do it. The ad doesn't
> >>> mention wifi or bluetooth but every mini that I've seen
> >>> has it.
> >>
> >> The machine may have the *hardware*.  Whether the hardware will
> be
> >> *usable* will depend on software.
> >>
> >> MSDOS was written back before Wifi and Bluetooth *existed*.
> FreeDOS
> >> tries to be compatible with MSDOS, which means "support for what
> >> existed when MSDOS was current."
> >>
> >> I would *not* expect Wifi or Bluetooth to be usable on the
> machine
> >> in
> >> FreeDOS, because the drivers don't exist.  If you want to use
> Wifi
> >> or
> >> Bluetooth on that hardware, you'll need to install another OS
> that
> >> supports them.  (Depending on exactly which HP mini model it is,
> >> there
> >> might be a flavor of Linux that can do it.)
> >> __
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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Dale E Sterner]

From: Dale E Sterner 

I have Qpro 5.6 but haven't used it yet. Still using version 3
The macros are powerful and a lot earier to use than
Excel. Version 5.6 is said to have a solver built in
like TK solver. One of these days I'll find out.

cheers
DS




On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:35:08 + "Thomas Mueller" 
writes:
> > I find that your MS dos 7.1 has been doing a little better
> > than FREEDOS. Jemmex sometimes hangs up.
> > Corel made great DOS software. I use their Qpro
> > to do my taxes. I fill in the blanks and it calclates my tax.
>
> > cheers
> > DS
>
> I too used Borland Quattro Pro for DOS, through v5, to calculate
> income taxes.
>
> That was the last DOS version.  I don't think Corel did anything
> with Quattro Pro for DOS, but continued Quattro Pro for Windows for
> some time.
>
> I was able to run Quattro Pro 5 for DOS in DOSBox but felt better
> with straight DOS.
>
> I used OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 DOS session, DR-DOS 7.03 and later FreeDOS.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Thomas Mueller]

From: "Thomas Mueller" 

> I find that your MS dos 7.1 has been doing a little better
> than FREEDOS. Jemmex sometimes hangs up.
> Corel made great DOS software. I use their Qpro
> to do my taxes. I fill in the blanks and it calclates my tax.

> cheers
> DS

I too used Borland Quattro Pro for DOS, through v5, to calculate income taxes.

That was the last DOS version.  I don't think Corel did anything with Quattro
Pro for DOS, but continued Quattro Pro for Windows for some time.

I was able to run Quattro Pro 5 for DOS in DOSBox but felt better with straight
DOS.

I used OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 DOS session, DR-DOS 7.03 and later FreeDOS.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Dale E Sterner]

From: Dale E Sterner 

With windows if your PC dies and you want to move
to a dupicate and keep running - your out of luck.
Windows ability to detect small changes is amazing -
it just wants to stop. Win 7 is such a pain to
deal with I think even DOS could beat it.
Every time I install new software it wants to be
reauthenticated.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:57:35 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Dale E Sterner 
> wrote:
>
> > Maybe the people who have produced the mini
> > also wrote some software to make it useful.
>
> Sorry, but that's wishful thinking.  The HP mini wasn't issued as a
> DOS machine.  FreeDOS was an after the fact addition on the one you
> saw, not original equipment.
>
> > I like DOS I hope it moves foreward.
>
> It won't.  What will move it?  What you would like to see will
> require
> time and effort by highly skilled programmers.  The folks who *can*
> do
> what you want expect to be *paid* for their work.  Who will pay
> them,
> and why?  There hasn't been a paying market for DOS and DOS software
> for decades.
>
> > Windows is so single PC oriented. I've tried moving
> > windows to a twin PC - same everything and it
> > somehow knew it was different and didn't
> > want to run.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "twin PC".  But Windows is licensed to
> a
> single PC.   Want to run it on the second PC?  Get another copy of
> Windows with a different license key..
>
> One reason for using Linux is that it doesn't care, and you can
> install it from the same distribution media on multiple machines.
>
> > DOS has no such problems. DOS finds its legs and wants to run.
>
> And if what you want to do can be done by DOS, you are fine.
> Increasingly, what you might want to do *can't* be done under DOS.
> You have a choice of staying put and forgoing the new stuff, or
> moving
> to a different OS.
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Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI on DOS (was: bsum - compute BSD checksumsof yo

[Dale E Sterner]

From: Dale E Sterner 

Maybe the people who have produced the mini
also wrote some software to make it useful.
I like DOS I hope it moves foreward. Windows
is so single PC oriented. I've tried moving
windows to a twin PC - same everything and it
somehow knew it was different and didn't
want to run. DOS has no such problems.
DOS finds its legs and wants to run.


cheers
DS


On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:07:35 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Dale E Sterner
>  wrote:
> > I see that someone on Ebay is selling an HP mini
> > with a FREEDOS os installed. All the HP minis that
> > I've seen have wifi & bluetooth built in. That would
> > mean an 802.11 client to do it. The ad doesn't
> > mention wifi or bluetooth but every mini that I've seen
> > has it.
>
> The machine may have the *hardware*.  Whether the hardware will be
> *usable* will depend on software.
>
> MSDOS was written back before Wifi and Bluetooth *existed*.  FreeDOS
> tries to be compatible with MSDOS, which means "support for what
> existed when MSDOS was current."
>
> I would *not* expect Wifi or Bluetooth to be usable on the machine
> in
> FreeDOS, because the drivers don't exist.  If you want to use Wifi
> or
> Bluetooth on that hardware, you'll need to install another OS that
> supports them.  (Depending on exactly which HP mini model it is,
> there
> might be a flavor of Linux that can do it.)
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