Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-08 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
For reference, here is the AstLinux kernel config for the ALIX: http://astlinux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/astlinux/trunk/target/device/alix/linux.config?view=markup We've got what I consider to be excellent support for the ALIX - most of the developers use them and they are very popular in the

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-07 Thread eaf
Here is what I found... I tried high-priority scheduling as per your suggestion, reniced the program explicitly, rewrote timer thread to sleep on cond. variable and activate only when there are timers and only when the timer actually had to be clicked, turned off SQL thread and removed polling

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-07 Thread Anthony Minessale
Did you do each thing alone too to tell the difference? -hp alone, disable monotonic alone (i did not see you mention the disable monotonic) as for your 4ms thing, yes we require high resolution timing, if we ask to sleep 1000 microseconds that is what we need it to sleep for or at least as close

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-07 Thread Anthony Minessale
oh and also use top -H to see which threads are using specific CPU and try to cross reference them by attaching with gdb and dumping all the thread bt On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Michael Jerris m...@jerris.com wrote: Also I have seen some people reporting that the new tickless timers in

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-07 Thread eaf
What do you want me to check while running these tests? Sound quality (it's good now even with original 1.0.4). Or CPU utilization? It's Debian 4. Anthony Minessale-2 wrote: Did you do each thing alone too to tell the difference? -hp alone, disable monotonic alone (i did not see you

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-07 Thread Anthony Minessale
Both, if it always sounds ok then I guess CPU usage. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:58 PM, eaf erandr-j...@usa.net wrote: What do you want me to check while running these tests? Sound quality (it's good now even with original 1.0.4). Or CPU utilization? It's Debian 4. Anthony Minessale-2

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-04 Thread Yossi Neiman
A word to the wise to the general FreeSWITCH community: If Anthony Minessale suggests that you try to do any number of things, it's a very good idea to try all those ideas before continuing on. I've known him, MikeJ, and bkw for several years, and they almost always have very good ideas as

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-04 Thread Anthony Minessale
There is another user here with a 300mhz box. I am willing to investigate this improved performance for weak devices but I need to do it in a sane cross-platform way. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Yossi Neiman freeswi...@cartissolutions.com wrote: A word to the wise to the general

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-04 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
A little more data from one of my (our) boxes: starbox_352 ~ # uname -a Linux starbox_352 2.6.26.8-astlinux #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 24 16:20:52 EST 2009 i586 unknown starbox_352 ~ # starbox_352 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 5 model

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread Michael Jerris
First off, maybe this conversation is better suited to the dev list, and second off, the current setup of where we do timers, where we poll, polling frequency and architecture is the result of 4+ years of ongoing testing and optimization. We have tried all different methods throughout.

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread eaf
Oh, it's not just one timer thread... Why, why is sql_thread keeps on checking for messages every millisecond? Couldn't there be some signalling implemented that will make the thread suspend on condition variable or a socket/pipe in between? #0 do_sleep (t=1000) at src/switch_time.c:109 #1

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread eaf
Btw, I have these popping up in my logs from time to time: 2009-12-03 09:42:06.035294 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:314 (sofia/external/xx...@4.68.250.148) Running State Change CS_HANGUP 2009-12-03 09:42:06.035294 [CRIT] switch_time.c:473 Virtual Migration Detected! Syncing Clock In this

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread Anthony Minessale
If you see that message then your machine/os/combo is having some problems keeping up. It's not the timer missing anything its the monotonic clock detecting a 1 second or more differential from what its next prediction for the time should be. The best way to trigger this would be to suspend FS

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread eaf
I'm sorry if I sounded that way. Did mean to. :) Yes, it's an embedded platform. It's an ALIX board with AMD Geode LX800 chip and 256MB of RAM. http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm Line offset difference is due to some minor logging changes I made to see who's allocating timers and how often.

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
I don't think it's the board itself... We have extensively tested FreeSwitch (no modifications) on that exact board with AstLinux and have it running at multiple customer locations. No timing errors, no warnings or errors of any kind. Pretty standard really just don't expect too much from the

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread Michael Jerris
I know people with hardware out there in production based on arm11 and those are pretty small processors, not sure how they compare to this. In regards to the DISABLE_1MS_COND, try getting rid of that, it did increase performance on the high end but may be better for you on the low end with

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread Anthony Minessale
What about the things I spent time suggesting in my last email? Did you try them because I was actually curious if they made any impact. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:29 AM, eaf erandr-j...@usa.net wrote: I'm sorry if I sounded that way. Did mean to. :) Yes, it's an embedded platform. It's an

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread eaf
You mean, upgrading to the trunk and disabling RTP timers? Yes, I did. I thought I responded back. Perhaps it didn't make through though, as I just emailed back to the list instead of using nabble.com... Anyway, upgrading to the trunk didn't change much, forcing SPA to 30ms went w/o any effect

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread Anthony Minessale
no, I mean the one after that that you must have completely skipped with a command line option to try and a param to set in the config. It somewhat annoys me for taking the time to compose it now. I wrote all of the code you are talking about myself and I was trying to give you some

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread eaf
Oh, you mean giving FS higher priority? Yeah, as a last resort I'll do that. At the moment, I hope it won't be necessary as I can make those hyper threads behave, and will see how that goes first. I see where your implementation could be coming from. There is a queue of SQL queries in sofia.c

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-03 Thread Anthony Minessale
Sigh, You just took it up a notch in terms of disdain and sarcasm. Why do people always only apologize sarcastically? I asked you to try the -hp and turn off the monotonic clock just to gather the results to help you. You completely missed it and just went on about the threads. Please save

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-02 Thread Anthony Minessale
in and out of select() every millisecond! Why?? -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:31:46 PM EST From: erandr-j...@usa.net To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU Thanks. I tried that... Just forcing SPA

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-02 Thread eaf
Can I reduce resolution of that timer thread 10 times? I mean, I glanced through the code, and see that among others (are there others?) RTP and IVR set up their timers that are subsequently managed by this thread. RTP timers should be eliminated by that setting you've suggested. IVR timers are

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-02 Thread eaf
Oh, looks like the timers are also used for streaming local data in read_stream_thread(). Due to this there is always one timer active with 20ms interval. But wait a sec, why is freeswitch periodically trying to stream /opt/freeswitch/sounds/music/8000/ponce-preludio-in-e-major.wav somewhere?

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-02 Thread eaf
OK, I'm slow. It's music-on-hold, and it's playing non-stop like that timer thread. Even when there are no calls. Why? eaf wrote: Oh, looks like the timers are also used for streaming local data in read_stream_thread(). Due to this there is always one timer active with 20ms interval.

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-02 Thread Michael Jerris
This is keeping track of a place in the music on hold so your hold music does not start back up at the same place every time. If you don't want to do this it is a module that you don't need to load and you can get your moh from any soundfile at your choice in configuration. Mike On Dec 2,

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-02 Thread Michael Jerris
In short. No, you can not for many reasons. The milisecond tic is used throughout the code even when there is not any calls up. You can grep for switch_cond_next if you would like to see where but it is required to keep our global timestamp and for pacing the scheduler among other

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-02 Thread eaf
As I see it, switch_cond_next() currently is just a do_sleep(1000). Yes, it could be mapped to a 1ms timer, but #define DISABLE_1MS_COND overrides that. Yeah, there is a global timestamp... It's easy to workaround that for RTP who calls switch_micro_time_now()... But if somebody accesses

[Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-01 Thread eaf
Hi, I'm trying to migrate from Asterisk to FreeSWITCH (really like the way how it can be programmed), but ran into one issue with sound quality that I just cannot workaround by myself. I would describe the sound problem as being choppy. From time to time small portions of the other party's voice

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-01 Thread eaf
I should also add, after browsing through some topics here, that my SIP provider sends 172-byte RTP frames, which is in accordance with ptime:20 that it gives to FreeSWITCH. eaf wrote: Hi, I'm trying to migrate from Asterisk to FreeSWITCH (really like the way how it can be programmed),

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-01 Thread Anthony Minessale
linksys has had a bug for eons that can be fixed by setting the ptime (or rtp packet size in their terms) in it's firmware to .20 instead of .30 Asterisk does not use async RTP like we do so it's never a problem you can disable the timer by setting the channel var rtp_timer_name=none or sofia

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-01 Thread erandr-junk
-users] Choppy sound with PCMU linksys has had a bug for eons that can be fixed by setting the ptime (or rtp packet size in their terms) in it's firmware to .20 instead of .30 Asterisk does not use async RTP like we do so it's never a problem you can disable the timer by setting the channel

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU

2009-12-01 Thread erandr-junk
Dec 2009 08:31:46 PM EST From: erandr-j...@usa.net To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Choppy sound with PCMU Thanks. I tried that... Just forcing SPA to 20ms didn't change anything. Just installing SVN trunk didn't fix it either, but setting that option