Re: [FRIAM] Article on Epstein

2007-06-27 Thread Richard Harris
Well, sitting here in the peanut gallery, I think one of the virtues of small, minimalist models is that they retain at least the option of having some explanatory value. I've seen too many instances where people naively try to capture as much of reality as they percieve in their models, and

Re: [FRIAM] Article on Epstein

2007-06-27 Thread Douglas Roberts
That's what an experimental design is for. Without a plan to rationally vary parameters of the simulation, there is no hope to determine cause and effect relationships. A good experimental design will define a series of parameter sweep runs, the results of which can then be analyzed. --Doug

Re: [FRIAM] Article on Epstein

2007-06-27 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Harris wrote: I've seen models which could require hundreds of pages to fully describe and required massive supercomputers to run. At the end of they day, if you can't explain something, what's the point? This is an excellent point and

Re: [FRIAM] Seminal Papers in Complexity

2007-06-27 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Phil Henshaw wrote: Na, I think even the most sophisticated math misses all the truly supple shape of natural form, and it it's of huge signifiance in our missunderstanding of natural phenomena. I _strongly_ disagree with that. I talk to many

[FRIAM] cognitive largess (was Re: reductionism)

2007-06-27 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Phil Henshaw wrote: Well, the 'fault' of considering things from multiple points of view is not contradiction, but confusing all those who don't! Well, for us Discordians, it is certainly not a fault to confuse! In fact, it is our holy obligation.

[FRIAM] Trapped in the house. Was: Seminal Papers in Complexity

2007-06-27 Thread Robert Holmes
On 6/27/07, Glen E. P. Ropella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip p.s. My argument above does not make the word mathematician useless by ascribing it to _everyone_ (as Bristol did when implying that every thing is emergent). It is only ascribed to those who attempt to form rigorous conceptions

Re: [FRIAM] Seminal Papers in Complexity

2007-06-27 Thread Phil Henshaw
Yes no. The interesting part is you get different answers for the continuity of 'things' and the continuity of 'information'. Beginning end are clear discontinuities for information, but because of the conservation laws it's presumptive that change in physical things requires a continuous