Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

2007-11-19 Thread Robert Holmes
On Nov 18, 2007 11:58 AM, Nicholas Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Does a blank white wall have a pattern on it? Nick Nick - *YES *- Robert FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St.

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

2007-11-19 Thread Glen E. P. Ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Günther Greindl on 11/17/2007 01:12 PM: Ok - but the gooey glob is also only a description - we can extend the gooey glob to contain the whole universe (the Hubble volume). Would you say that at that level we have total ordering? I CANNOT extend

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

2007-11-19 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nicholas Thompson wrote: Loosing one's temper is a wonderful example, because it contains all the paradoxes we are discussing and more. You point to loosing temper as if were something knowable in an instant. But the knowledge required to perceive a loosing of temper is smeared across

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

2007-11-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, I would say no. So now we have found the foundation of our disagreement -- the point upon which we can agree to disagree. NIck - Original Message - From: Robert Holmes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 11/19/2007 7:37:15 AM