Re: [FRIAM] What is mathematics? Really?

2008-07-28 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - "Does anybody know who it was or from what point of view they were speaking when they referred to mathematics as "neutral" between idealism and realism" Just to elaborate on this, it is my understanding that: Mathematics is for people who are bad at gambling !

[FRIAM] an interesting quote

2008-07-28 Thread Prof David West
Came across this when looking at Peter Naur's work on programming - thought it might be interesting to some involved in the mathematics issues of debate recently - especially the ones dealing with mathematics privileged status. ... ignorance towards any form of knowledge other than the one

Re: [FRIAM] an interesting quote

2008-07-28 Thread Ken Lloyd
Dave, Thanks for the quote, and it's wonderful insight. Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato were excellent teachers. But the knowledge they imparted contains artifacts - meaning errors and critical omissions - that must be overcome even today. The gist of the Gödel / Hilbert conflict is that it

Re: [FRIAM] an interesting quote

2008-07-28 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Ken Lloyd wrote: The gist of the Gödel / Hilbert conflict is that it changed the nature of science from a search for the truth to separating what is probably true from the demonstrably false. From H. Pollack -- Uncertain Science, Uncertain World. I'm not sure who I'm disagreeing with, here,

[FRIAM] The power of a few flipped bits

2008-07-28 Thread Joshua Thorp
Amazon's S3 storage system was down for 8 hours due to a few bad pieces of gossip (flipped bits resulting in well formed but untrue pieces of information) passed between their servers. This bad information resulted in a catastrophic cascade of gossip that lead to a complete shut down of

Re: [FRIAM] The society of mind

2008-07-28 Thread Jochen Fromm
I guess you mean the following article from AI Magazine: From Society to Landscape: Alternative Metaphors for AI http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/viewFile/896/814 Interesting. I have read The society of Mind a few years ago - at least large parts of it - and I don't remember

Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity

2008-07-28 Thread Jochen Fromm
Yes, maybe creativity is the point where art, science and engineering meet each other. To create a new piece of art, to find a new theory, and to find a new way to construct something is similar: it is difficult, it requires experience and sometimes luck, and it is often considered as a

[FRIAM] Testing ... Can Friam support WYSIWIS?

2008-07-28 Thread Owen Densmore
We've all heard about WYSIWYG but that just means your printer can show what your screen shows. Nice but in the age of the net, WYSIWIS is *much* more important -- What You See Is What I See. By that I mean that I can have some confidence that what I'm sending to you in email or posting

Re: [FRIAM] Testing ... Can Friam support WYSIWIS?

2008-07-28 Thread Owen Densmore
Just for tests, here is the rendering of the email I sent in Thunderbird, and on our Nabble archive: http://backspaces.net/temp/Safari001.png http://backspaces.net/temp/Thunderbird001.png Not too bad. Some font problems where the fonts render differently on different platforms. And

Re: [FRIAM] Testing ... Can Friam support WYSIWIS?

2008-07-28 Thread Tom Johnson
Looks find in Gmail, although the URLs in the message are NOT hyperlink, which they are in the Rich Text Format of Gmail. -tj On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've all heard about WYSIWYG but that just means your printer can show what your screen shows.

Re: [FRIAM] What is mathematics? Really?

2008-07-28 Thread Phil Henshaw
Yea, math is for people who are bad at gambling, but who also prefer not to 'cheat' by watching to see what's happening directly. It's a guesser's tool, and in a few kinds of situations you don't need to guess. You can sneak a peak and directly see.Like when all the resources for an