Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-25 Thread Nick Thompson
R. I suppose that if the robot met the conditions I laid out, I would have to consider it. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-25 Thread Nick Thompson
Oh, yes, Jochen; more than you can imagine. That’s a great article about NHS psychologists. One of my great regrets about my retirement is that I did not start a Doctors/Patients association. It time for the rest of us to get together and start to organize against Medicare and the

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-25 Thread Russ Abbott
I meant to follow up on this from Nick. *DEVIL’S ADVOCATE: So a robot could be made that would feel pain?* Well, you are cheating a bit, because you are asking me to participate in a word game I have already disavowed, the game in which pain is something inside my brain that I use my

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-25 Thread Russ Abbott
Sorry, No. Most of it was not satisfying. You originally said that the science of mind was doing reasonably well. When I asked what you meant you talked about how shallow psychology is. I said I expected there to be technology that lets me experience what you are experiencing. You replied that

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-25 Thread Jochen Fromm
I've heard even psychologists become sometimes a bit depressed ;-)http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2016/feb/17/were-not-surprised-half-our-psychologist-colleagues-are-depressed -Jochen Sent from my Tricorder Original message From: Russ Abbott

Re: [FRIAM] Weeds of pragmatism: Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-25 Thread glen
Imputing a point, perhaps; observing a person(ality) directly is 0th order. The inferences one draws from that, the model you build in your head from the 0th order, is 1st order. Then you also observe their friends' person(alities) to get 0th order observations from them and infer another

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy (lost in the weeks?)

2016-02-25 Thread Eric Charles
Russ, I mulled over replying a few times, but wasn't sure what to say. However, by restating your genuine interest in my response, I now feel like a jack ass for not responding earilier, so here it goes. Some of these answers might not be at all satisfying, but I will do my best so long as you

Re: [FRIAM] Weeds of pragmatism: Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-25 Thread Roger Critchlow
This turned up in my Quora feed a few minutes ago: What is the most effective way to see a person's true personality?

[FRIAM] FW: Ting in Santa Fe Friday

2016-02-25 Thread Nick Thompson
Dear Santa Fe Friammers, Ting Internet’s director of networks Adam Eisner is in town, meeting with city officials about a possible fiber build-out. My friend and former student, Sean Moody, would like to bring him to Friam briefly for a handshake around 9.30. The schedule is tight and

Re: [FRIAM] Weeds of pragmatism: Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-25 Thread John Kennison
Glen has also contributed with an idea that I think helps to answer my "real" question. I'll write later about that. --John From: Friam [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Nick Thompson [nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016