Re: [FRIAM] IS: Rhetoric in scientific arguments WAS: FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-03-02 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Eric, I doubt an idea before I ever apply for a grant. Then I deceptively claim to be trying to replicate an authorities claims. But the devil within me recalls that at least once maybe more often , I have noticed that the authority’s prediction failed. That knowledge is my group’s secret

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Rhetoric in scientific arguments WAS: FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-03-02 Thread glen ☣
On 03/02/2017 11:04 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > To "Peirce-up" the discussion of doubt a touch. To doubt something is to be > unable to act as-if-it-were-true without reservation. So, for example, you do > not doubt Newtonian mechanics under a wide range of conditions (you are > willing to act as

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Rhetoric in scientific arguments WAS: FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-03-02 Thread Eric Charles
Glen, To "Peirce-up" the discussion of doubt a touch. To doubt something is to be unable to act as-if-it-were-true without reservation. So, for example, you do not doubt Newtonian mechanics under a wide range of conditions (you are willing to act as if it is true under many circumstances),

[FRIAM] Re fractality: A complex birdsong example

2017-03-02 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, everybody, http://www2.clarku.edu/faculty/nthompson/1-websitestuff/Texts/2000-2005/Vari ation_in_the_bout_structure.pdf I thought that before you mathematicians completely ran off with my birds' songs, you ought to have a concrete example in front of you. Nick

Re: [FRIAM] Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-03-02 Thread glen ☣
Yes, that makes perfect sense now that you've explained it. Self-similarity is a tricky thing and would intuitively be sensitive to the delay. One of the interesting ideas in that paper I posted yesterday was the "Menzerath-Altmann law", which leads to several different "fractal dimension"