Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Gillian Densmore
That's on top of today bitching about the time my appointment was taking On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 11:08 AM Gillian Densmore wrote: > Freedman barly even pays attention! > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 11:01 AM Gillian Densmore > wrote: > >> Nailed it >> >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Gillian Densmore
Freedman barly even pays attention! On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 11:01 AM Gillian Densmore wrote: > Nailed it > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> It is a bigger problem that people are more concerned about `getting >> along’ than they are about maintaining a functional

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Gillian Densmore
Nailed it On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > It is a bigger problem that people are more concerned about `getting > along’ than they are about maintaining a functional government. > > As for doctors, I don’t want them to my friend. I want them to take > their limited time

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
OK. When you caveat it as a rare specialist with an attitude, then I'd agree with you, at least in practice. Let them do their tiny/special job and don't expect/require them to think/care about you as a whole person. But in those cases, who is in charge does matter a great deal. If they're

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Steven A Smith
Gil - I am intuiting from your current riff of questions/anecdotes here, that you are feeling out of sorts on many fronts.  With a significant engagement with the health-care system, THAT interface is an important one for you and is broadly, if not categorically not working for you right now... 

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Yeah, I try not do that until I've observed a person for a while. Some people are more sensitive or inflexible, but not necessarily for reasons they can control. I don't see that vendor and customer really makes a difference in the extreme cases. What matters is getting to the truth, using

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
I disagree completely. If we consider you and your Dr colleagues who share the same objective, then when a colleague of mine interrupts me, I tend to have enough respect for them to assume they're interrupting me because they think I should be interrupted. Similarly, if they seize control of

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "That interaction successfully grabbed his attention." My observation is that it is not necessarily helpful to others' concentration to interrupt them and to try to control the conversation.I don't see doctors as any different from any other specialist, in spite of the fact

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
Probably. In the context of a more acute situation (e.g. emergency room, or the patient is in severe distress), the nurses are trained to inject their judgment. But in a more casual context (like an office visit to a GP), they're not. The important point, though, is it's a matter of

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Curt McNamara
Actually the question was about the nurse :-) and (from my understanding) the dynamics of medicine is such that nurses *don't* give doctors feedback on things like this. So the good advice here (which i agree with) would need to be passed onto the doctor directly Curt On Fri, Jul 13,

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Perhaps the first step needs to be "How sensitive is this patient to bedside manner?", and from that estimate then prioritize the relative timing of one sort of analysis over another. I assume I'm dealing with an intelligent, if imperfect, person.I think it takes some self-control to be a

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
Perhaps. But if that's the case, I would immediately leave and find another Dr. As I explained before, and is peppered throughout Renee's training, the "assessment of the patient", which involves really *looking* at the patient, is more powerful than any other (set of) metric(s). To be

Re: [FRIAM] This is embarrassing

2018-07-13 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
Hm. I don't think I could, or want to, figure out which series you're thinking of. In fact, not being a scholar myself, I put little stock in *exact* quotations, responses, citations, etc. A better approach would be for you to *paraphrase* what you *think* my position is. I've done that

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Is it not possible the doctor looking at her computer is just like Glen listening to music without moving?Focusing on the facts of the matter and not on distracting emotional signals? On 7/13/18, 9:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of ∄ uǝʃƃ" wrote: For what it's worth, my Dr. thanked me

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
For what it's worth, my Dr. thanked me after our 1st interaction. He walked in with his laptop, sat down and started poking at it. I then used my familiarity with electronic medical records (I was a product mgr at such a company at one point) to finagle his attention and demonstrate our

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
It is a bigger problem that people are more concerned about `getting along’ than they are about maintaining a functional government. As for doctors, I don’t want them to my friend. I want them to take their limited time and focus their extensive training, to rationalize the symptoms I

[FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread Gillian Densmore
While at doctor's office trying ask a nurse to politely express to a doctor that it comes off as rude when that doc is obssed with a computer gets a reaction like you've invented warp drive. Is it really that unusual for people to try to actively be cordial these days? If so captian we got a