[FRIAM] NECSI article

2020-01-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I'm sure y'all have seen this post from NECSI: http://news.mit.edu/2020/study-physics-democratic-elections-0121 https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.11489 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-019-0739-6 It's interesting that the arXiv.org submission is 1.25 years old and the paper's just out in Nature

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: "So, in these sorts of situations, people tend to sort themselves out into Dionysians and Apollonians, the former declaring that we're probably fucked and we might as well stay warm, run around in our cars, and burn all the coal we can, and the later declaring that we have a

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Nah. I reject the dichotomy. I consider myself both D and an A, but in different domains. And I think it might be reasonable to time slice between A & D. My sister's ex used to say "We play hard and we work hard" ... indicating that they were both D & A, maybe even simultaneously, depending on

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread thompnickson2
Thanks, Glen, While I am "in", it seems to me that a distinction is beginning to evolve here between whether a reasonable person CAN doubt Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and whether such a person SHOULD doubt AGW. I think reasonable people could argue whether we are in a period of AGW

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Ha! Yes, sorry. Anthropogenic Global Warming. On 1/21/20 11:53 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Could we develop a FRIAM convention? In any first use of an acronym in any > individual email, the user spell it out. > > AGW? I know I should know, but 'should-knowing' something is a long

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread thompnickson2
Could we develop a FRIAM convention? In any first use of an acronym in any individual email, the user spell it out. AGW? I know I should know, but 'should-knowing' something is a long way from knowing it. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread Merle Lefkoff
1. That's why learning how to store food is just as important as learning how to grow food. 2. You are right to be worried about seed. Seed banks around the world are at risk. 3. You didn't mention insect extinctions. Big big problem. On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:28 PM doug carmichael

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread Gary Schiltz
Winter? What's that? (uttered from 2000 meters elevation in the Andes, 3 miles from the equator) On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:28 PM doug carmichael wrote: > the problem with the small plot of land approach > > 1. what to do in the winter? > 2. given the number Of people who will try it, what

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread doug carmichael
the problem with the small plot of land approach 1. what to do in the winter? 2. given the number Of people who will try it, what about the supplier seeds? Are there enough? doug > On Jan 21, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > >  > Thank you, Jochen. Excellent. Pieter: We can't

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Thank you, Jochen. Excellent. Pieter: We can't predict what will happen or when or how fast. We only have probability analysis. But it's happening now. The future is here. My advice when I give talks on climate emergency is make sure you have a small piece of empty land, fix the topsoil,

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
While your argument *seems* reasonable, I've often found that soft influence fails to meet any well-specified objectives [†]. So by pursuing your larger (AGW + other global risks) system of issues, you run into a problem definition issue. Good engineering is said to be 1/2 good problem

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
I plead guilty as charged. My reasoning is fragile because the way I see it there are significant uncertainties. My (granted fragile) point is that there are empirical data that casts serious doubt on the accuracy of the climate models. It seems to me that in the real world, as opposed to in the

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
You're laying out a fragile chain of reasoning here: 1) Estimates: [1.5,4.5], 2) Data: [1.5, 1.5+ε], 3) No serious harm. We know that people aren't swayed by data. Even when contradictory data is staring someone in the face, they tend to reinforce their prior held belief. So, the question I

Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump

2020-01-21 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Jochen, How confident are you about the predictions the climate scientists make? When I delve into the details of the IPCC reports I find that there are significant uncertainties. But when popular media report the facts I get the impression that "the science is settled" . Sure, I agree that