Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
I need to study it more to give my opinion on it, but some general comments: a) I expect the mainstream physics community will reject it. As a start I noticed Sabine Hossenfelder retweeted a "bullshit"-tweet about it. b) I'm a big fan of Stephen Wolfram and in general have confidence in his

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2020-04-15 Thread George Duncan
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Re: [FRIAM] The Role of Philosophy in Physics

2020-04-15 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - > S, Steve. What IS the role of philosophy in physics? > > N Bait taken... There is plenty to say about that, plenty more than I knew to ask/answer in that essay which is long gone both on paper and in my mind. I think I rambled on here for a dozen posts on this topic some nearly

Re: [FRIAM] 75% deportees to Guatemala with COVID-19

2020-04-15 Thread Tom Johnson
Sorry. Here's the Google translate: Guatemala: 75% of a flight of deportees tested positive for coronavirus This Tuesday, April 14, the Guatemalan Minister of Health, Hugo Monroy, assured a group of journalists that between 50 and 75 percent of the people deported from the United States had

Re: [FRIAM] 75% deportees to Guatemala with COVID-19

2020-04-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
I don't see English there. I'll translate it if requested and I can find relief from childcare for a short time. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 4:55 PM Tom Johnson wrote: > This sure seems like a high

[FRIAM] 75% deportees to Guatemala with COVID-19

2020-04-15 Thread Tom Johnson
This sure seems like a high number, but who knows. I do trust this publication. Here's the English link: https://elfaro.net/es/202004/centroamerica/24287/Guatemala-75-de-un-vuelo-de-deportados-dio-positivo-a-coronavirus.htm Guatemala: 75% de un vuelo de deportados dio positivo a coronavirus

Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread Stephen Guerin
Here's a nice lecture by Carlo Rovelli on his development of Spin Foams with Lee Smolin. Great to see the intro to his lecture by Penrose: https://livestream.com/oxuni/rovelli/videos/199493556 At time 41:33, you can check out how space is defined as the volume around a vertex. Steve Smith and

Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Very cool. I'd (incompetently, obviously) guess the difference would be that Wolfram's trying to construct the universe, whereas Baez was trying to describe it. Both involve time/iteration. But my lunch period is over and I have to work. 8^( On 4/15/20 1:47 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9905087 On 4/15/20, 1:46 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: Can you point to what you think Baez was doing that seems similar to what Wolfram's doing? On 4/15/20 11:38 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Wasn’t John Baez doing this stuff in the late

Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Can you point to what you think Baez was doing that seems similar to what Wolfram's doing? On 4/15/20 11:38 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Wasn’t John Baez doing this stuff in the late 90s? -- ☣ uǝlƃ .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... . ... FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] The Role of Philosophy in Physics

2020-04-15 Thread Prof David West
Not Steve, but when it comes to Quantum Physics the relationship is "Shut up and calculate." davew On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, at 12:38 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > S, Steve. What IS the role of philosophy in physics? > > N > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Of course, hacking is in fact #5. On 4/15/20, 1:34 PM, "Friam on behalf of Prof David West" wrote: True, it does advance an argument for a rational process (i.e. guidelines). But it also states that such a process can never be other than an idealization (as you note). There

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Prof David West
True, it does advance an argument for a rational process (i.e. guidelines). But it also states that such a process can never be other than an idealization (as you note). There could be value in after-the-fact faking of a rational process, if the fake was used to inform and "improve" the

Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread Jochen Fromm
I don't know, possibly. What Stephen and his team seem to be doing is to take some form of graph or hypergraph, and then they apply transformations to it in an iterative loop. The result gets more and more complex.We know that some IFSs and L-Systems produce beautiful results through repeated

Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
I know John Baez. John Baez is a friend of mine. See if anyone recognizes that allusion. Seriously, Hywel White, Barry MacKichan, Jon Zingale and I read Baez's book "Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity" a year or two ago. He begins in the first section by showing why one forms (and higher order

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Gary Schiltz
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:53 AM Prof David West wrote: > ... > 2) There are always ways to ameliorate the Absolute Law. Those ways differ > by culture. Edward Hall compared how and where amelioration differs between > US and Mexican cultures. In the US the cop has latitude as to when and with >

Re: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Wasn’t John Baez doing this stuff in the late 90s? From: Friam on behalf of Jochen Fromm Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:37 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] The fundamental theory of

[FRIAM] The fundamental theory of physics

2020-04-15 Thread Jochen Fromm
What do you think of Stephen Wolfram's latest findings? It is always interesting to see what he is doing IMHOhttps://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2020/04/finally-we-may-have-a-path-to-the-fundamental-theory-of-physics-and-its-beautiful/-J..-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -..

[FRIAM] The Role of Philosophy in Physics

2020-04-15 Thread thompnickson2
S, Steve. What IS the role of philosophy in physics? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
That paper: https://users.ece.utexas.edu/~perry/education/SE-Intro/fakeit.pdf argues *for* guidelines for software development. So, it validates my point in the most direct sense. It *also* argues against inferring from Nick's idea that there might be such a thing as Laws of Software

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Prof David West
Jochen, Thank you for introducing a fascinating concept. What you describe is triggering all kinds of echos in the material I have been reading the past year at the Ritman Library in Amsterdam. This material includes works on Hermetic (Alchemical) philosophy, Jung, Gurdjieff, etc. etc. Those

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
On 4/15/20 8:52 AM, Prof David West wrote: > 1) We do fetishize the law in the sense that if you run the red light and the > cop gives you a ticket there is no possible defense - you ARE guilty. In the > medical case, if you prescribe off-label and get sued, you will lose. > (Unless, of

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Prof David West
Frank, The last class I taught at the University of St. Thomas was "Philosophical Foundations of Computer Science." It was standing room only and 20 plus years later I still get emails from students lauding the class and thanking me for the experience. BTW, at the time St. Thomas had the

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Jochen Fromm
Yes, Richatd Dawkin's memes ("The Selfish Gene") are a nice idea, but they are not like genes at all. They are like viruses. If we consider the memes that are generated by "meme generators" and shared in social media, then they can at best be described in terms of viruses. For example a post

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Prof David West
Two points: 1) We do fetishize the law in the sense that if you run the red light and the cop gives you a ticket there is no possible defense - you ARE guilty. In the medical case, if you prescribe off-label and get sued, you will lose. (Unless, of course, the Judge Interprets the law , or the

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
Steve, Are you the exception or the rule? Of the 350 engineering and science students in my freshman year at Carnegie nobody got a 4.0 average; the highest was 3.57 and the average was about 1.8. But I'm older than you and grade inflation started in the meantime. Thanks for your account of

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Steven A Smith
Frank - > I may have mentioned this before but physicists, chemists, engineers > etc. rarely talk about philosophy of science.  Social scientists, > particularly.psychologists, do much more.  Some mathematicians do > because they believe they are dealing with God. My undergrad career in Physics

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Prof David West
glen wrote: "We don't write software that way." A contrarian position: David Parnas, "The Rational Design Process: How and Why to Fake It." davew On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, at 8:43 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > There are no "laws of scientific procedure". There's not even a > singular scientific method.

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
I may have mentioned this before but physicists, chemists, engineers etc. rarely talk about philosophy of science. Social scientists, particularly.psychologists, do much more. Some mathematicians do because they believe they are dealing with God. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
And, by the way, Renee's son-in-law has lupus. So this fear-based shortage is directly threatening lives ... just in case you might wonder a little more about the consequences to individuals, apparently reserved for "good times". On 4/15/20 6:43 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > There are no "laws of

Re: [FRIAM] anthropological observations

2020-04-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
There are no "laws of scientific procedure". There's not even a singular scientific method. What we have are heuristics and best practices driven by repeatability and reproducibility. So, in order to build guidelines for *who* to give hydroxychloroquine to, how much to give them, and when to