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David, Basic fact of demography. Killing men is not a particularly effective means of population control. You want war to serve in that capacity, you have to get women in the military. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University

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Steve writes: < Hard-line "invisible hand of the market"-eers will insist that if it exists in our economy, that it *must* be of interest/value/use to *many* (or at least some). Invoking the idiom of "follow the money", I agree that we *can* follow a chain of implied value that leads from the

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On 5/2/20 8:39 PM, Prof David West wrote: > Genghis spread his genes via wives and concubines, not rapine. He also > installed daughters and wives as regional governors instead of sons. > Interesting historical figure. So Genghis stayed back home and procreated while he sent the boys out into

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On 5/2/20 8:36 PM, Prof David West wrote: > Major investors lose little — certainly as a percentage of wealth — > because they have the super-high speed systems and insider status to > ameliorate their loses. As always, it is the smaller investor that > cannot trade in milliseconds, but in

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Nick - I contemplate this question regularly.   "What means 'the economy' ?"  The way it is bandied about in the public media and among most circles I listen to, it is this big hairball of exchange of goods and services facilitated by "money", both in the form of currency and credit.    Yet it is

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Genghis spread his genes via wives and concubines, not rapine. He also installed daughters and wives as regional governors instead of sons. Interesting historical figure. davew On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Dave - >> I once taught an honors course, with Father

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Major investors lose little — certainly as a percentage of wealth — because they have the super-high speed systems and insider status to ameliorate their loses. As always, it is the smaller investor that cannot trade in milliseconds, but in minutes and hours, that loses the most. davew On

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Steve, birth and control - remove the men from the breeding ground (home) to reduce the number of pregnancies. Father Smith presented the statistical and historical data for this argument. A near cultural universal is the inverse relation of sex and violence. You want fierce warriors, deny

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Dave - > I once taught an honors course, with Father Smith at St. Thomas on the > Anthropology and Theology of War. One of the prime forces behind war — > since prehistory — had been nothing more than birth control. Do you meant literally *birth* and *control*, or rather *population* and

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Krugman provides an analysis.. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/opinion/economy-stock-market-coronavirus.html From: Friam on behalf of Gary Schiltz Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 3:13 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

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Would the rich, with proportionally more in the stock market, be disadvantaged by drops in stock prices? I suppose, on the other hand, they would tend to have enough cash or equivalent to to take advantage of the price drops to buy stocks at reduced prices. On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:02 PM wrote:

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Hi, Dave, Given that the super rich have the resiliency to respond to any crisis, I have a hard time imagining anything that would disadvantage them EXCEPT taxing the living daylights out of them. We did pretty well on 90% marginal tax rates. I agree about the White Quarantine.

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I once taught an honors course, with Father Smith at St. Thomas on the Anthropology and Theology of War. One of the prime forces behind war — since prehistory — had been nothing more than birth control. davew On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 12:37 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Well, in a sense

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Nick, The dragon asks: in whose interest was the lock down? 32 Billionaires — that I know of from press reports — have increased their net wealth by as much as 10-20%. Large corporations will have their profits protected, so much so that one of the "rules" of the bailout money is that when

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“pent up energy of academic labs” What a thought! Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From:

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Example of the government just getting in the way. https://www.lansingcitypulse.com/stories/msu-researchers-macgyver-new-covid-19-test-but-wait-for-green-light,14290 From: Friam on behalf of Jochen Fromm Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Saturday, May 2, 2020

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The economy is collapsing right now. It has positive side effects like clean air in L.A. and Beijing, but right now it is collapsing.-J. Original message From: Frank Wimberly Date: 5/2/20 18:47 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:

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The human civilization that has developed over the last handful of millennia is a pretty thin veneer over the basic drives that control the rats' behavior. Like most of us, I've grown up dependent on that thin veneer, and would sorely miss it :-) I'm not very optimistic that it will survive, but

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Well, in a sense that’s correct. But their method of “birth control” is not one that I am prepared to take as a model. Just imagine the worst sort of dystopian post apocalyptic novel. See

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Marcus, Gary, Thanks for responding. I stipulate that mine is the sort of question that could only be asked by a person too privileged to be taken seriously. But such people should occasionally be heard, so I was asking to heard. And you heard me. Thanks. Let’s put it another

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< You recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which 24 rats were put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and watered and protected to see how the population would develop. They never got above two hundred. > Maybe the rats were right? Marcus .-. .- -. -.. --- --

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Ah, Russ, It’s great to hear from you, again. One of the best things I ever wrote came about because of a year of arguing with you! The lesson I take is that the designs for life maintenance have nothing to do with the designs for happiness. We are not designed to be happy; we are

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I hope it didn't sound like I was yelling at you, Nick :-) Given the state of the economy here in northern South America, your question a little too USA-centric. And my response was obviously from a different perspective. I actually don't know what the state of the US economy is right now. For

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Hey Nick, did you mean your question to apply to mostly the USA? Europe? Asia? Africa? South America? Although I keep up a little bit with what's going on in the USA and a bit more about Europe, lately my familiarity is more with Ecuador and to a lesser extent the rest of South America. Down here,

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Nick writes: < It seems to me that the difference between a “healthy” economy and our present status consists possibly in nothing more than a lot of people frantically rushing about doing things they don’t really need to do? > It is true I don’t need a haircut. But there’s gal who cuts my

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Nick, What lessons do you take away from the rat experiment? Certainly, breeders can use space differently from natural populations. But that isn't surprising. If the natural density of a rat population is 200/quarter acre, what do you make of that, and why do you think it's important? P.S. I'm

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Nick, I suspect that if people only did what they 'need to do' the economy would collapse. On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM wrote: > Colleagues, > > > > I have asked this question before and nobody has responded (for clear and > good reasons, no doubt) but I thought I would ask it again. What

[FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Colleagues, I have asked this question before and nobody has responded (for clear and good reasons, no doubt) but I thought I would ask it again. What exactly is this economy we are bent on reviving? What exactly is the difference in human activity between our present state and a revived

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Glen said "So the problem of qualia and, say, whether or not we could build a machine that *enjoys* playing the piano, you fall in the camp of the strong-AI people. We can definitely build a machine that thinks and feels just like a human. Is that right?" To paraphrase Nick's answer: Yes, of