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I think there will be a transition toward a more advanced form of life, but I don’t think there will be a clear connection between how they think and how humans think. Human culture won’t be important to how they scale, but may be relevant to a bootstrap. I would be surprised if compression,

[FRIAM] Doyne says green saves money

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Just to be clear, I have zero antipathy towards Wolpert or his efforts at steelmanning. I think Wolpert does an excellent job of phrasing as questions what I perceive "Scientists" and "Computationalists" to merely assert as Truth. I have long tilted at that particular windmill and I applaud

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To help prune geometricly expanding larding: Regarding growth vs "mere" dynamism.   I re-refer you to Deacon's homeo,morpho,teleo-dynamic as I think this is what he is *trying* to attend to.   I have also used the distinction of "deterministic but not-prestateable" which is another gesture in

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It's tough to resist the "larding". But I'll try. - Static-dynamic: By "grow", I don't really mean "dynamic"... or not merely dynamic. I mean something more akin to a co-evolutionary, adversarial network accumulation. Time is necessary. But so is space. The contrast with specification targets

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glen∉ℂ wrote: Great question. I also appreciate the specificity of the question, despite wanting to tease it into 3 parts: A) convincing evidence; B) superior intelligence; C) cultural inheritance . I agree with Dave's emphasis against "finite sequences from a finite alphabet" as being

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Great question. I agree with Dave's emphasis against "finite sequences from a finite alphabet" as being central to our SAM. *If* Wolpert's actually relying on that as crucially as he seems to be, then the "grow vs. specify" accusation isn't a strawman. But the question Wolpert wants to ask

Re: [FRIAM] VFriam

Ah, yes, work. I remember that. That, and skiing and sex. Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen?C Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 10:42 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

[FRIAM] Don't forget your flu shots, ...

>From The Hill, below. The burden is that the flu season is going to be lousy, and that some are doubting the Administration's recommendation that one get the covid and flu vaccine at the same time. Apparently getting the flu vaccine too early can lead to it's effectiveness waning in the late

Re: [FRIAM] VFriam

Spurn? No. I just have to work most Thursdays. But thanks for thinking of me! On 9/15/22 07:39, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Frank.  I will join you soon after noon, eastern.  FWTW.  Or as Glen would say, pftt.  By the way, why does Glen Spurn Thursdays?  I miss him. -. --- - /

Re: [FRIAM] VFriam

Thanks, Frank. I will join you soon after noon, eastern. FWTW. Or as Glen would say, pftt. By the way, why does Glen Spurn Thursdays? I miss him. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On

[FRIAM] VFriam

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Re: [FRIAM] Pardon the interruption, I have a case of petty theft

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[FRIAM] Pardon the interruption, I have a case of petty theft

And a case of why I utterly despise indian tech support. No this is not about wolpert. Yes i am beyond infuriated and feel violated 20 times a week, and 40 on sunday. *Facts:* Today (9/14): after getting groceries at the Smiths on pacheco up the hill from a mcdonalds. I went to get some groceries,