Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
A deep learning system set up for next sentence prediction, one that consumed gigabytes of literature, would learn to mimic emotions as expressed in writing. It would likely have mappings of context and events to plausible emotional descriptions. It would have latent encodings about the

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread Gillian Densmore
*list of things Cybermen do to make even the Dr yell RN! and book it to the TARDIS as well here* On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 6:35 PM Gillian Densmore wrote: > *terminator soundtrack here* > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 5:55 PM Prof David West > wrote: > >> Maybe lack of emotion,

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread Gillian Densmore
*terminator soundtrack here* On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 5:55 PM Prof David West wrote: > Maybe lack of emotion, but ability to 'fake it' by repeating what it read > a being with that emotion would say only proves the AI is a sociopath or > psychopath. > > davew > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, at 4:44

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread Prof David West
Maybe lack of emotion, but ability to 'fake it' by repeating what it read a being with that emotion would say only proves the AI is a sociopath or psychopath. davew On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, at 4:44 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: > When Blake Lemoine claimed that LaMDA was conscious, it struck me that

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread Russ Abbott
When Blake Lemoine claimed that LaMDA was conscious, it struck me that one way to test that would be to determine whether one could evoke an emotional response from it. You can't cause it physical pain since it doesn't have sense organs. But, one could ask it if it cares about anything. If so,

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread Prof David West
I an concurrently reading, *Nineteen Ways of Looking at Consciousness*, by Patrick House and *Mountain in the Sea*, by Ray Nayler. The latter is fiction. (The former, because it deals with consciousness may also be fiction, but it purports to be neuro-scientific / philosophical.) The novel is

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread glen
There are many different measures of *types* of consciousness. But without specifying the type, such questions are not even philosophical. They're nonsense. For example, the test of whether one can recognize one's image in a mirror couldn't be performed by a chatbot. But it is one of the

[FRIAM] Is consciousness measurable?

2022-10-18 Thread Jochen Fromm
Paul Buchheit asked on Twitterhttps://twitter.com/paultoo/status/1582455708041113600"Is consciousness measurable, or is it just a philosophical concept? If an AI claims to be conscious, how do we know that it's not simply faking/imitating consciousness? Is there something that I could

Re: [FRIAM] My Work On Earth Is Not Yet Done

2022-10-18 Thread Prof David West
Colloquially, "in your head" signifies that construct—the self, the consciousness— that you do not accept as a real thing. If one were to be charitable, one might interpret the sentence as "it is not psychosomatic." Reason being pain results in signals in both the body and the brain, so it is

Re: [FRIAM] My Work On Earth Is Not Yet Done

2022-10-18 Thread Gillian Densmore
hmmm so what does that about us when something is a royal PIT ? is the then where your brain is located then? if so might explain a few things. :P thank you, thank you. I'll see my self out. On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 1:44 PM wrote: > A highly regarded pain expert, Dr. Carmen Green,

[FRIAM] My Work On Earth Is Not Yet Done

2022-10-18 Thread thompnickson2
A highly regarded pain expert, Dr. Carmen Green, talking about chronic pain on the pod cast of an equally highly regarded neurosurgeon, Dr. Sanjay Gupta: ". pain is also perceived in the brain, so it's not only in your head." Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com