Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
30% is much better assuming that being 90 is a reasonable goal. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 6:27 PM Edward Angel wrote: > You can feel better: 0.7 ** 10 ~= 0.028. That's 40% better, although, it’s > hard to

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread Edward Angel
You can feel better: 0.7 ** 10 ~= 0.028. That's 40% better, although, it’s hard to believe that the 0.3 per year is constant for 10 years. Or even correct. The charts from real data seem to show the probability of an 80 year old making it to 90 is 30%. Ed ___ Ed Angel

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
>For people it’s somewhere in the 70-80 ... As I approach 80 I'm not happy about this. I read or heard that a person over 80 has about a 0.3 probability of dying each year. I calculated, possibly using incorrect assumptions, that that means that the conditional probability of living to 90

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
It's not the accumulation of damage and the fault/disease risk associated with such damage that seems like pseudoscience. That's actual science. But it starts to feel pseudo- when used to refine from a big data population size to individual humans (or demographics). The idea you can hop down

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread glen
Interesting paper. I'll have to read it more closely. But it doesn't strike me that they address *premature* mortality, whatever that is. I can't help but get a Theseus' Ship vibe. Even if the canalizing risks (welding, sky diving, cholesterol, dehydration, etc.) are all hammered down, I'd

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread glen
It's not the accumulation of damage and the fault/disease risk associated with such damage that seems like pseudoscience. That's actual science. But it starts to feel pseudo- when used to refine from a big data population size to individual humans (or demographics). The idea you can hop down

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Gillian Densmore
LOL yes it is! Isn't santa fe (well NM)'s government fixing to go to just daylight savings? lol all these are better than what one of GFs fam would do. Something about cast iron skillets and chasing the mice with a rolling pin. I didn't want to know if that was to be the end of the mice, or just

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Gillian Densmore
I think my aunts friend had one for a while. Aunt couldn't go to the house after sometime because they're infamous for a musky, and generally strange BO. My cat was awful about playing with what ever he was hunting! Turned out he was a birder more so than a mouse cat. Partiall proven because he'd

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/3/23 2:47 PM, cody dooderson wrote: My parents use sticky traps. You need a cold heart to kill them when you find them stuck to the trap. It's hard to do when they are looking at you with their tiny sad eyes and all you can imagine is their nest of tiny younglings hidden somewhere in

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
Gil - Ferrets can be very unpleasant to smell...  I had a stepdaughter who kept two (along with a half-dozen cats and gawd knows what other pet-hoarding my mind has blanked on over 30 years ago). They also are totally nocturnal and will romp *all night*, especially if there are more than one

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Gillian Densmore
I had tried the live catch ones and taking them to the park. Oh just yeet them back outside I thought they'll go scamper. problem is they'd try to get back in. lol a bullsnake? woudn't it find a hot water pipe and go: really dude you expect me to hunt mice in freezing winter? Food for thought

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread cody dooderson
My parents use sticky traps. You need a cold heart to kill them when you find them stuck to the trap. It's hard to do when they are looking at you with their tiny sad eyes and all you can imagine is their nest of tiny younglings hidden somewhere in your wall. Also, sticky traps will catch other

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Gillian Densmore
Steve, those are all great tips. I'll run a fine tooth come through the house. Their's this area by the coffee maker at the front they try to hide in as well as I think somehow behind a rubermaid recycle bin. lol a ferret? not a bad idea. Kim swears by his pet cat for keeping mice out. LOL one of

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
Eric - I like your introduction of "some kind of Ambivalence Frontier"... I think this also expresses itself in the "close races" we have in politics these days... a vague correlate to what happens with high-scoring competitive games (like basketball) which often end up in close calls with a

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
Gil -  To misquote Leonard Cohen: "There is a crack in everything, that is how the mice get in". I have lived with mouse-flux all of my time in my current (rural)property 20 years).  The mice (and ground squirrels and packrats) in the environs require that I remain vigilant to keep them

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread David Eric Smith
Long a favorite topic of mine. Let me send you a link; almost-surely not the best, but done with ~1min of google searching images: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0233384 See the 5th

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread Steve Smith
I recently watched a documentary on the animals living in Chernobyl, environs and nearby evacuated villages.   The overall theme was that while there was lots of evidence of genetic damage and mutation in individuals, they were still "healthy populations" of many (all?) species finding new

Re: [FRIAM] keep getting mice.

2023-01-03 Thread Tom Johnson
Yeah, I buy traps from Amazon a couple dozen at a time. === Tom Johnson Inst. for Analytic Journalism Santa Fe, New Mexico 505-577-6482 === On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 10:45 AM Gillian Densmore wrote: > Another surge of mice Q: For all of Dismember i've had

Re: [FRIAM] Friday AM

2023-01-03 Thread glen
">144 mmol/l with 21% elevated risk of premature mortality". My last test a week ago showed 144! Whew! I guess I have a normal risk for premature mortality. 8^D The concept of "premature death" is flat out ridiculous. But our inability to well-define it raises some interesting questions. •