Re: [FRIAM] Apologies

Hey, we can then welcome the first cyborg on the list ;-) Hope all goes well with fixing the knees, Günther Douglas Roberts wrote: To the list at large: apologies for any extra crankiness that has leaked through of late. Recently I have had the biological equivalent of two grenades go off:

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

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Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

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Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

what's going on under the hood. I don't know why people oppose this. Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.complexitystudies.org/ Thesis: http://www.complexitystudies.org/proposal

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

. Why is reductionism simplistic and egotistic? What would a non-simplistic and non-egotistic explanation be? And since when are theories like QED simple, despite being reductionist? *confused* Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

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Re: [FRIAM] Young but distant gallaxies

Hi, This doesn't mean strictly remaining with restraints belonging under the heading of that horrible word reductionism. Why do you think that the word is horrible? (be specific please ;-) Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

. This is a deep principle, requiring much thought. I would like to end on this philosophical note. Thanks for your remarks Glen, very stimulating! Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.complexitystudies.org

Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself

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Re: [FRIAM] Bais talk and books?

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Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

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Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2

superintelligences: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/my-childhood-ro.html Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.complexitystudies.org/ Thesis: http://www.complexitystudies.org/proposal

Re: [FRIAM] Causality

have to have a genuine interest in these things. Knowledge and insight come from diu noctuque incubando (by brooding day and night), a saying Nietzsche ascribed to Newton in The Gay Science (a wonderful book by the way). Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science

Re: [FRIAM] Confessions of a Mathemechanic.

(and that will include philosophy of math and traditional metaphysics). Reality is not confusing. Our mental models are often not in tune with reality, and that is what is confusing. Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog

Re: [FRIAM] Confessions of a Mathemechanic.

and multiplication in your arithmetic - with this you can construct gödel numbers, define recursion, and get your (first) incompleteness theorem, from which second follows easily. Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Digest, Vol 61, Issue 16

I you are interested in models of the self, this could be for you: Metzinger, T. Being No One. The Self-Model Theory of Subjectivity. MIT Press, 2003 Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http

Re: [FRIAM] Haiku-ified was: Mathematics and Music - missed opportunity

Steve Smith wrote: Some of us, we are Just a few syllables short of a haiku liked this one :-) cheers, günther FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

reality - it is simply a nested structure with some parts mirroring other parts). Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.complexitystudies.org/ Thesis: http://www.complexitystudies.org/proposal

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

). Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at/Wissenschaftstheorie/ Blog: http://dao.complexitystudies.org/ Site: http://www.complexitystudies.org/ Research Proposal: http://www.complexitystudies.org/ph.d

Re: [FRIAM] Mathematics and Music

the theory. Look at Einstein for instance: the ideas he had very hanging around intuitively for quite some time; but he mathematized it, it went experimental, and voila, scientifically confirmed and accepted. Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna

Re: [FRIAM] Mentalism and Calculus

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Re: [FRIAM] Statistical Mechanics: Algorithms and Computations, by Werner Krauth

Hey, the book has already crossed my radar but I have not had the occasion to read it, as I'm drowning in books already. But I would like to queue in with Owen as to interest in FRIAMer comments if some of you have already read it? Cheers, Günther Owen Densmore wrote: Has anyone read this

Re: [FRIAM] Urban myths in contemporary cosmology

an observer is 'typical' in some given environment and more how observerness emerges and operates in coevolutionary or epigenetic situations. Would the above theory fit your desiderata? Or are you looking for something different? Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department

Re: [FRIAM] Urban myths in contemporary cosmology

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Re: [FRIAM] Dirty Power Linked to Cancers in California School in Milham-Morgan Study

Hi, sounds scary. What I find strange is this: they say at the beginning of the paper: There are many sources of ‘‘dirty power’’ in today’s electrical equipment. Examples of electrical equipment designed to operate with interrupted current flow are light dimmer switches that interrupt the

[FRIAM] The Protein Folding Problem

Review Article of possible interest to some of you (subscription required): Annual Review of Biophysics Vol. 37: 289-316 (Volume publication date June 2008) (doi:10.1146/annurev.biophys.37.092707.153558) The Protein Folding Problem Ken A. Dill Et Al

[FRIAM] Solve Puzzles for Science | Fold It!

Related to the article I sent before, here's a game where you can actually play and aid science: http://fold.it/portal/adobe_main/ From the website: What other good stuff am I contributing to by playing? Proteins are found in all living things, including plants. Certain types of plants are

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

OK. So RR makes a prohibitive claim ... something like living systems cannot be accurately modeled with a UTM because MR systems cannot be realized. And you are refuting that claim by a counter-claim that MR systems _can_ be realized, emphasizing that the recursion theorem is crucial to

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

to the astounding and beautiful consequences of mechanism applied throughout; and the philosophical chasms opening when not doing so. Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at/Wissenschaftstheorie

Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen

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Re: [FRIAM] Robert Rosen

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Re: [FRIAM] Robert Rosen

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Re: [FRIAM] Penrose: The Road to Reality

Dear Owen, Good to know. I actually like that sort of read .. an index into the mathematics world and a good motivator. Yes that is exactly how I view the book: an index and a motivator! Cheers, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL

Re: [FRIAM] Penrose: The Road to Reality

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Re: [FRIAM] Robert Rosen

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Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

to exist). Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. Regards, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at/Wissenschaftstheorie/ Blog: http://dao.complexitystudies.org/ Site: http

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM and causality

. If things out of the light cone are not comparable - who cares? - they don't affect A anyway. Regards, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at/Wissenschaftstheorie/ Blog: http://dao.complexitystudies.org/ Site

Re: [FRIAM] When is something complex

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Re: [FRIAM] When is something complex

at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at/Wissenschaftstheorie/ Blog: http://dao.complexitystudies.org/ Site: http

Re: [FRIAM] politics and cliques

the federal government is too non-local to handle that many objectives competently. And for some (like environmental policy) it is too _local_. Regards, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at

Re: [FRIAM] politics and cliques

- but before I say more I would like to know if I have understood you correctly so far. All the best, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at/Wissenschaftstheorie/ Blog: http://dao.complexitystudies.org/ Site

Re: [FRIAM] Book trade.

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Re: [FRIAM] math and the mother church

regards intuition nowadays is actually bad for mathematics. For a refreshingly different approach read for instance Needham: Visual complex analysis http://www.usfca.edu/vca/ which shows that you do not have to sacrifice rigor by being intuitive (on the contrary!). Cheers, Günther -- Günther

Re: [FRIAM] Seminal Papers in Complexity

understanding. Best Regards, Günther -- Günther Greindl Department of Philosophy of Science University of Vienna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univie.ac.at/Wissenschaftstheorie/ Blog: http://dao.complexitystudies.org/ Site: http://www.complexitystudies.org

[FRIAM] FRIAM Community/Collaborative search engines

Hello, I came across Eurekster/Google community/collaborative search engines, and I thought maybe this would be a good idea for the FRIAM group. The Eurekster FAQ says in a nutshell what it's about: Sometimes, looking for specific information has that needle in a haystack feeling. Not only can

Re: [FRIAM] Gapminder

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Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM book

I abolutely agree. Also, I think it's a plus that the people on this list have a diverse background. After all, complexity science is interdisciplinarity par excellence. So, whatever results from this collaboration could very well be a good foundation for further work. Regards, Günther Jochen