Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Steve Smith
at I find funny is the reaction I get from such people when they see that I > do take them seriously. It's amazing how an ordinary person reacts when > someone, like a clinician, actually sits down, listens to the patient's > in-context narrative, and engages ... something a Hopi frien

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Steve Smith
ear looks pretty pricey...   probably the stuff of a future motorcycle/bicycle/climbing helmet to upload your brain as you go into a skid/fall/tumble! > >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >>  Glen- >>> Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. E

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-14 Thread Steve Smith
fusing it in milk to attract flies.    Maybe this is entirely a tangent (most of my observations here *are* tangents?). - Steve > > So, I'll leave the sweat lodges and eating of wiggling things to more > adventurous types like you. But the drugs need not be orally administered. > I've

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-14 Thread Steve Smith
ing other people's dreams".   Our elaborate literary, theatrical, cinematic heritage is only getting more and more finely hashed into sensory-bites across more and more sensory channels which elude our (heretofore?) naive intuition about what is the truth and what is a lie.  DeepFakeNews. - Stev

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-14 Thread Steve Smith
have which help me to not only distinguish the "wrongheaded" from the "inconvenient" but also how to *navigate* the isoclines of a high-dimensional socio-political landscape on my own terms and thereby spend less time yelling at the TV or shaking my fist at the kids who need to "

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

2021-09-10 Thread Steve Smith
Sometimes all you need is a good aphorism https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law or maybe boost it up with a cartoon https://sketchplanations.com/ > I can't help but wonder if there's an analog of Goodhart's law lurking, here. > > > On September 9, 2021 2:31:39 PM PDT, Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] Amtrak & driverless trains

2021-09-08 Thread Steve Smith
ive driverless > trains in Copenhagen, Denmark, but not yet in Berlin > https://www.equaltimes.org/driverless-trains-are-coming-but?lang=en > > -J. > > > Original message > From: Steve Smith > Date: 9/7/21 22:36 (GMT+01:00) > To: friam@redfish.com > Subje

Re: [FRIAM] What are you reading?

2021-09-07 Thread Steve Smith
recently read  Homeland Elegies - Ayad Akthar reading: The Importance of Living -Lin Yutang

Re: [FRIAM] Nick has gone dark

2021-09-07 Thread Steve Smith
Mary and I are reading a biography of HD Thoreau and I feel like I have a better bead on who the heck NST is from getting a slightly better bead on that aspect of small town New England's history/perspective.    Neither of us have spent more than glancing careens through New England population

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

2021-09-01 Thread Steve Smith
"half the politicians are trying to take my money and give it away... ... the other half are trying to take it and keep it for themselves."         -anonymous On 8/31/21 4:53 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Dave writes: > >   > > “And I am terrified of liberals (progressives, democrats) because,

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-29 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - > I can't shake the feeling that it doesn't matter what I write, here. But I'm > stubborn. We rely on that. > > My point has been that our feelings are forms of self-attention. And if we > take self-attention seriously, it may not be necessary for the learning to be > 'socially

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-27 Thread Steve Smith
And as one of Frank's readers, I highly recommend it if you have any nostalgia at all, or curiosity about what made Frank Frank! I doubt it will motivate ME to write my own as Nick encourages, though I suppose I could just collate my FriAM reminiscences and that alone would probably qualify...  

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-27 Thread Steve Smith
> A photo of me, my oldest cousin, and my grandfather taken at that time > (WW2).  That's a railroad boxcar used as a temporary residence for > transient railroad workers. My parents lived in a 50s "canned ham" style camp trailer for most of the first 18 months of my life.  My father was a

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-27 Thread Steve Smith
I thought Glen made a good bid for "respect" over "equality".   The aphorism "we optimize what we measure" seems apropos.   Equality IS (at best?) a roll-up measure of other things.   Noting inequality (of income, of assets, of access to opportunity, of treatment by due process, etc.) is useful to

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
EricS - > This is all about holding a position that the society you live in is illegitimate, and wanting to act out your > animosity toward it or contempt for it, as a kind of defiant expression of some kind of agency.  Well stated... I think this captures a lot of the degenerate behaviour of

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
> reductive, singular candidate for hyper-reduction ... well, fiat money > anyway. So, only because we live in a largely capitalist society, does > equalization via money make sense ... because money is a medium, not a thing, > in itself. > > Obviously, I have my doubts abou

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus wrote: > > You are made of matter following some trajectory that was initiated > with the big bang, and you will go where you will go.  There is no > “deserve”. >             "The universe is flux, all else is opinion" - M. Aurelius and... "they're merely talking to hear

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
> We could also deconflate "should" with "needs to be" in the sense that > the former is a social/moral judgement while the latter is intended to > be held a adaptive system feedback loop? > > If we consider "stupid" to be all things "maladaptive" then "punishing" > those behaviours helps to

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
rections and their colors, check in mad/sad/glad/scared, etc.) for my interest (over time). > Anyone who wants to talk about emotions and things like qualia or sense of > self, has to talk about such things. If they don't, they're merely talking to > hear themselves speak. That's a

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
I think I do OK at it. Which might be the main reason for anti-masker's spittle-laced diatribes against masking?   It is harder to yell spittle into another's face when one or both are covered with masks (and better yet face-shields?). Spit on!  - Steve - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. ...

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
We could also deconflate "should" with "needs to be" in the sense that the former is a social/moral judgement while the latter is intended to be held a adaptive system feedback loop? If we consider "stupid" to be all things "maladaptive" then "punishing" those behaviours helps to winnow the

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
vaccinated people which will likely be overwhelmed with people coming in with acute COVID symptoms (since everyone else is either not contracting COVID or not having severe symptoms)... Can we acknowledge that "just because we are paranoid, that doesn't mean nobody might be out to get us"

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
sodoku, tic-tac-toe, chess, go to croquet, soccer, cricket, competitive curling, mixed martial arts, bare-knuckle big-game hunting. Calling this "thinking", of course, diminishes what is more properly called "being" I think ("I am"?) no matter if Descartes wanted to redu

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
uǝlƃ ☤>$ > Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing the same sin Nick commits. I understand that I was being provocative with the specific formulation "we ARE" as if it were an absolute. > To say we "are" our emotions ignores the composition, the algebra by which > parts compose the whole. I agree

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
is always available.   She still knocks out any mouse dumb enough to invade the house, and has even come up with a pack-rat once...   maybe she brought it in during a minor foray? Thanks for the new (to me) collective noun of "Clowder". - Steve On 8/26/21 8:07 AM, uǝlƃ ☤&g

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
our uniquely *oblique* POV in this might be a good opportunity to try to stimulate this discussion (yet again). - Steve On 8/26/21 2:47 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > I can give you some more context citing my personal experience > > I stay in a spacious (for India) gated-off apartment complex in New &g

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-26 Thread Steve Smith
> E.g. when Bob wakes up startled, he interprets the situation into "fear". > But when Sally wakes up startled, she interprets the situation into > "excitement" or some other /a priori/, socially limiting, filter category. Thus my earlier suggestion that "we" "are" our emotions?   Bob *is* his

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread Steve Smith
> > For example if we want a robot that autocharges itself we must create > some sort of "hunger for energy". If we want a robot that protects > itself against physical danger we must provide it with a sense of fear My "Roomba" knockoff autocharges, ceasing it's relentless vacuuming activities

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread Steve Smith
ul (out of scale of reason) things happen to me, I have learned to just give over to it because I KNOW it is transient and I TRUST I would never induce that kind of pain deliberately, I might as well indulge in the experience of this rare Altered State for the brief moment it will be with me. Coloréa

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread Steve Smith
he context(s) involved allowed/required you to use "rabieta" (tantrum), though I would ask if YOU think Nick is "having" or "doing" (or in my lingo "throwing") un rabieta? (nod of genial thanks to NST for letting us rib him mercilessly in public). mascullar balbu

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

2021-08-24 Thread Steve Smith
uld stun you with a sting and drag you to it's underground lair where it would insert it's fertilized eggs into your abdomen to hatch and thrive until the larva are ready to emerge and pupate ultimately into more giant scary wasps.   The thing is, this is exactly what they do, but only with Tarantulae

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-23 Thread Steve Smith
> Argh! > >   > > How we seal ourselves in caves of nonsense! > >   > > And emotion is not something we “have”; it’s something we do. > are you sure it isn't something we *are*? - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-23 Thread Steve Smith
> Then Cory Doctorow ponders the other eternal question: is this all > bullshit? > > https://doctorow.medium.com/machine-learnings-crumbling-foundations-bd11efa22b0 > > > -- rec -- After decades at LANL, I'm

Re: [FRIAM] Steaming services

2021-08-22 Thread Steve Smith
s playing right now" service... maybe what he listens to is being analyzed on some Google Brat's Friday Project right now?   He *hates* Alexa, Amazon, and especially Amazon Music. It's a wild new world, even though everything feels pretty much the same (only different). - Steve > > > On

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-20 Thread Steve Smith
d with Eastern Philosophy/Spirituality along the way.  Your style as I know you seems to be very "Western" in a very "American" stylization or more aptly perhaps "New England" stylization? - SAS >   > > Nick > >   > > Nick Thompson > >

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-20 Thread Steve Smith
t 20, 2021 11:17 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM" > >   > > Nick, > >   > > my last response was kind harsh. > >   > > Although, I see little value in Pirsig's books, I am very interested > in the ideas or the

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-20 Thread Steve Smith
gle.nl/citations?view_op=view_citation=en=cXmbPusJ=pubdate_for_view=cXmbPusJ:ujxm2eEBZHIC > Thanks Steve, > > I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy.  Marcus is > right; what must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in > jail for not really anyth

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread Steve Smith
EricS > > Fascist Quorum Sensing When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a brief connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference  it, though more specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice.   Having once been a holder of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - I read it when it was fairly new and I was very young.   The interwebs (I mean, whatever vapid popular culture rode on top of in those days) was aflutter and I was a voracious reader, a motorcycle owner/rider/maintainer, and I was enamored of the idea of eastern mysticism in spite of the

Re: [FRIAM] philosophers

2021-08-16 Thread Steve Smith
When I have seen him chatting with them, I believe he addresses them as "Roscoe" and "Luigi", but those may have been transient terms of endearment, not long-term identifiers. > Nick, have you given names to your thumbs? > > On 16 Aug 2021, at 13:53, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Two

Re: [FRIAM] philosophers

2021-08-16 Thread Steve Smith
> Except he did not die in Mexico. He is alive and well and living on > Mt. Shasta. Still the curmudgeon and misanthrope he always was. Along with Twain and Whitman I believe.   I tried to find them last time I was in the area but they are as reclusive as the sasquatchii. - . -..-. . -.

[FRIAM] Metaverse blather

2021-08-16 Thread Steve Smith
liarized many with the higher-bandwidth/fidelity/sensorial possibilities of virtual collaboration.  I don't indulge often or much in vFriAM but it seems to have worked well for the hardcore attendees for well over a year now.   I don't expect to see many/any of you/us appear in

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

2021-08-15 Thread Steve Smith
Eric - >> >> I understand Hydroxychloroquine to have been used widely in >> developing (equatorial) countries as an antiviral (in particular >> Malaria) \ >> > Not antiviral, Steve.  Plasmodium isn’t even a bacterium; it is a > protozoan.  One of us, gooble g

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

2021-08-15 Thread Steve Smith
s that conscious beings can apprehend the world we live in and predict futures within it wherein our *actions do matter*.  Meaning we in some sense get to (have to)  choose the future world we will inhabit in our own personal futures.   Extreme optimism and pessimism run somewhat counter to the preten

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

2021-08-15 Thread Steve Smith
To the extent that many of our individual conditions often described as dis-ease are manifestations of a more spiritual-social-emotional-psychological dis-ease, it shouldn't surprise us that "woo" which addresses (at different levels, and different modes) the latter dis-ease might relieve the

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

2021-08-09 Thread Steve Smith
eagues (LANL).   I hope, for your sake, that So. Africa's "Right Wing" is not as "Wrong Headed" as our own. - Steve - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/sub

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

2021-08-08 Thread Steve Smith
sight! - Steve On 8/8/21 2:09 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > Good example. Like the USA South Africa was a former British colony. > And both countries had to struggle with racism in the past. But the > development of democracy was different. The rise and fall of democracy > is an interes

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-08 Thread Steve Smith
ectrum).  I use cynicism as a (poor) substitute for proper skepticism.  It reduces false-positives but boosts false-negatives methinks. - Steve ...  > Eric, > > Thanks very much for this!  I was asked about it by some humanities > friends in Pittsburgh who were alarmed.  They thought

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-07 Thread Steve Smith
What if one didn’t need a wage at all?  What if you had > to decide for yourself what was worth doing?  Heck, what if one (some > post-human) didn’t even need food and didn’t need to reproduce?   > >   > > *From:* Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Stev

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-07 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - > > The pushback on everything from low wattage lighting to mask mandates > leaves me thinking that there is really only one thing that motivates > certain people:  That they can do whatever the hell they want and, > crucially, that other people cannot.   A living wage infringes on that >

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-07 Thread Steve Smith
t; <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Saturday, August 7, 2021 9:49 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and > exponential technological growth.

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-07 Thread Steve Smith
awn" this year, but I *am* a lot more sympathetic with that kind of energy than I (even) did when I was young enough to engage in that kind of freewheeling activity.  I feel like Dave and I have bent this thread all the way back around the Nick's original "Psychonauts"? It's spirals all the

[FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021-08-06 Thread Steve Smith
hell out of the stuff coming at us like a swarm of bugs hitting our windshield (while we proudly outdrive our headlights). > >> On Aug 6, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >>  Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Don't forget about Mars! >> >> LANL physicist St

Re: [FRIAM] for our psychonauts

2021-08-06 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus Daniels wrote: > Don't forget about Mars! LANL physicist Steve Howe was a proponent of plowsharing Rover <https://www.lanl.gov/science/NSS/issue1_2011/story4full.shtml> into a nuclear rocket for Mars with the argument that the radiation exposure to astronauts by the drive was

Re: [FRIAM] for our psychonauts

2021-08-06 Thread Steve Smith
loyed in favor of the more spectacular nuclear weapons.   Bat-carried incendiaries were a serious threat to the paper and bamboo cities of Japan, but not so much for the Soviet cities we apparently thought we needed to telegraph our military supremacy to at the time.  Holy Bat Caves! mumble/r

Re: [FRIAM] ???

2021-07-30 Thread Steve Smith
Gil - Same here...   I don't have any recommendations.   I do have experience with two therapists who I had a good experience with myself but they are not psychDocs and more tuned to my boomer self I think.  I'll ping you offline also. - Steve On 7/30/21 8:40 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote

Re: [FRIAM] the slow red-pill

2021-07-16 Thread Steve Smith
The best mentors I have observed have been somewhat if not acutely reluctant.   Even those who take on the role of teacher or workshop leader often do so with a somewhat coy reluctance, and the result seems often to be that their best acolytes are those who take from them what they will from the

Re: [FRIAM] Freedom Phone

2021-07-16 Thread Steve Smith
On 7/16/21 9:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > The "Freedom Phone" which is supposed to protect your fragile > conservative egos from the ravages of big tech, turns out to be a $179 > retail Shenzhen manufactured phone being sold for $499 retail with a > generous affiliate cut to the right wing

Re: [FRIAM] the slow red-pill

2021-07-15 Thread Steve Smith
ns of the differences between "who to punish" and "how to take responsibility".   Given our increasing awareness of small-worlds it seems that we become more and more culpable for not considering the implicative cascades of our actions/decisions including trying to understand th

Re: [FRIAM] the slow red-pill

2021-07-15 Thread Steve Smith
glen - > There’s a new tactic for exposing you to radical content online: the ‘slow > red-pill’ > https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/theres-a-new-tactic-for-exposing-you-to-radical-content-online-the-slow-red-pill A modern application of "subliminal advertising" and

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

2021-07-06 Thread Steve Smith
ty, what can I give back in return out of gratitude" vs the variations on straight bartering, or keeping ledgers or exchanging tokens of IOU/UoweMe valuation. I loved the imagery of Locke and Hume escorting Melville's ship.   It is relevant that Melville's work represents the "first oil b

Re: [FRIAM] for the optimists

2021-07-01 Thread Steve Smith
I heard Freeman Dyson speak at LANL in the mid-late 80s, I think it was a rehash of his "Giffords Lecture" at Aberdeen, on the topic of the risks/hazards/weaknesses of Big Science.   I found it profound at several levels, not least of which was the audience he was delivering it to (Scientists

[FRIAM] A Fred sized hole in the Holographic Universe

2021-06-29 Thread Steve Smith
on Saturday June 26 at noon, Fred Unterseher, Holographer Extraordinaire passed away gently with his long time friends and colleagues August Muth and Ana Macarthur at his side.  https://holocenter.org/artist/fred-unterseher - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] The case for vegetarianism

2021-06-12 Thread Steve Smith
"eat food, mostly plants, not too much" - Michael Pollan     https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20090323/7-rules-for-eating On 6/12/21 7:40 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > I don't know the members of Friam personally, but I get the impression > it's not exactly a youth club and maybe some

Re: [FRIAM] Wildfires and Climate Change

2021-06-10 Thread Steve Smith
I'll see your "every room" and raise you an "every orifice"...  at some point, we might as well be on Mars, the asteroid belt, on a ship to Alpha Centauri, or elbow to armpit on racks in a Matrix-Like warehouse covering the planet. > > HEPA air filters in every room.. > >   > > *From:* Friam *On

Re: [FRIAM] multitasking

2021-06-02 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus responds to Glen's response to DaveW : > "And *that* you can run on a treadmill at all says something about your > architecture. I absolutely despise treadmills ... they violate everything I > know (and hate/love) about running. What kind of monster are you?" > > Controlled exertion.

Re: [FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

2021-05-28 Thread Steve Smith
The most fundamental problem with the general idea of setting objectives and then using any number of clever methods to converge on those objectives is that *at best* they are only as good as the objectives themselves.   The point being made here, of reducing the granularity to a pieceweiz,

Re: [FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

2021-05-26 Thread Steve Smith
In most of the trajectories through the postCapitalistic subset of my imaginarium, maximizing profit or even gross production is eschewed in deference to satisficing the commodity stocks (including liquid currency) required to support the flows we might consider necessary and good.   I agree with

Re: [FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

2021-05-26 Thread Steve Smith
anges I got from Mexico (by way of my local produce) and the jays are happily gathering the peanuts (from Georgia?) to stash for next winter (unless too much fungus grows on them in the meantime). - Steve - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lis

Re: [FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

2021-05-26 Thread Steve Smith
part of and in a few centuries may well be settling back into a "new normal" where any remaining humans are either encysted in bubbles to protect ourselves from this "new normal" (and it from us!) or we will have "cooled our jets" enough that the "new normal"

Re: [FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

2021-05-25 Thread Steve Smith
; understand even more deeply how to restore the Mycelium > networks so that the fungi can solve our climate change > challenge.  This is perhaps the most important task that > will save us from extinction.  See Merlin Sheldrake's > book, "Enta

Re: [FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

2021-05-25 Thread Steve Smith
obal policy makers, as techno-industrialists) tend to want to ignore (or more likely game) that.   See the Fossil Fuel Industry in the 60s looking forward gleefully to an ice-free Arctic, generated by the product of their profiteering...   (gra)mumble,  - Steve > We won’t realize anything unless

Re: [FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

2021-05-25 Thread Steve Smith
ll be lamenting *all* of the things that today we are promoting wholeheartedly in the name of "progress".   This is part of how I became a neo-Luddite. - Steve On 5/25/21 2:50 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > Let's hope they are a bit more wise in managing the wildfires in the >

Re: [FRIAM] Permaculture; sustainable food production

2021-05-22 Thread Steve Smith
ific reference on the tip of my fingers but I believe that Permaculture honestly aspires to address (holistically) all levels of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, with *food* being an easy/obvious one for many to focus on. - Steve On 5/22/21 4:51 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > I think ther

[FRIAM] The Joy of Anthropology

2021-05-12 Thread Steve Smith
  I could rattle on about the value and role of Metaphor, Anecdote, Narrative in Science (Narrating Complexity, Stepney et al) and Model Theory, but it would just be more rattling. Carry On! - Steve On 5/12/21 7:46 AM, Prof David West wrote: > I find anthropology to be fascinating because

[FRIAM] Filthy Lucre

2021-05-11 Thread Steve Smith
for all my wanking on about crypto and smart-contracts I tend to forget the paper currency *already* carries some of it's history with it...  rapid/portable/cheap DNA analysis and chemography or spectroradiometry might provide analog private key signatures...   

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-11 Thread Steve Smith
ping teaspoons of bubbling crude out of an artesian well to run through his handmade still.   His still produces no better (maybe worse) heptane/octane than BP or ARCO but he *still* gets paid (ultimately by me) for so gently milking the dino juice from the earth for me. - Steve On 5/11/21 3:2

Re: [FRIAM] CS on CC

2021-05-11 Thread Steve Smith
to harvest some of their kinetic energy short of "throwing" some into reentry orbits which might be a fair trade-off...  strip the "good stuff" and "hurl" the carcass into the arroyo (I mean upper atmosphere). Odd how a neo-Lud

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-11 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus > > Just the universe doing its thing, nothing to worry about. >     worry and doubt are just the universe doing their thing... "the universe is flux;  all else is opinion" - Marcus (Aurelius) > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Tuesd

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-11 Thread Steve Smith
>You will take the red pill or blue pill, there’s no question about it. Every time I take one, I doubt myself and take double the dose of the other...       and then doubt myself >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 11, 2021 10:38 A

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-11 Thread Steve Smith
 Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Russ writes: > >   > > < It seems that the only solution might be to forgo even balanced > reciprocity and build a society of people who appreciate and are > satisfied with whatever they get. This would be a world based on > gratitude and selflessness rather than

Re: [FRIAM] Smart-Contracts: was UBI

2021-05-10 Thread Steve Smith
levant as the myriad *closed* blockchain implementations (and cryptos) gain steam based on rampant speculation (crypto¢ and shameless promotion (NFT auctions)) and more attention comes to smart-contracts, etc.   I am putting my energy into it (Cardano) because I suspect it could well be in the same league sa

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-10 Thread Steve Smith
ack into the publishing record and see if/when it might have become more than a neologism. Carry On,  - Steve On 5/10/21 1:58 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > > On 5/10/21 12:10 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: >> • civilization is already a cooperative enterprise, it's just a matter >> of cooper

[FRIAM] Smart-Contracts: was UBI

2021-05-10 Thread Steve Smith
lose cousin Ecology which I believe would have a much stronger flavor of reciprocity, gifting and gratitude vs the nearly *required*??? U-O-Me nature of Money (conceived as IOUs, but distorted to UOMes by ?greed?). - Steve On 5/10/21 12:13 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > No, I'm not *quite* complain

Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
est time path through space"? Both of the latter may be wrong, but they are qualitatively different in an interesting way, no? - Steve On 5/8/21 9:13 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: > English has two categories of verbs: intransitive and transitive. > > If you use an intransitive verb

Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - >  Second, which of these two models encapsulates more closely what you > wizards mean by computation.  Is carrying out an algorithm  more like > “computation” or is “building a limb”? Is a salamander’s limb > “computed”?  If so, who computes it, or is that a violation of the > language

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
  On 5/8/21 7:38 AM, Prof David West wrote: > I am not, but will purchase and read asap. > > davew > > On Sat, May 8, 2021, at 12:30 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >> Dave - >> >> I think I have referenced these before  but your anecdotes here >> remind me of Jim

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
is Over" though the US (and much of EU?) is acting as if it might be for us in the next few months.   In the fullness of time... - Steve On 5/8/21 1:13 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > To answer above questions about Quercetin and vaccines in South Africa > > a) Quercetin is, to my be

[FRIAM] Political Bubble - Spy tool

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
the NYT sent me this link to help me recognize if I live in a political bubble:     https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/30/opinion/politics/bubble-politics.html After checking a few "neighborhoods" for their "political temperature" and getting good *aggregate* statistics over a pretty

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
Dave - I think I have referenced these before  but your anecdotes here remind me of Jim Scott's "Against the Grain" and "The Art of Not Being Governed".  I wonder if you are familiar with any of his work? - Steve On 5/7/21 8:02 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Russ, >

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
he content is totally out of my range to generate.  And Glen's skill at finding essences and summarizing succinctly is exemplified here! This is not to say that others don't achieve similar heights on a regular basis, but this just caught me as a one-two punch.  And I know neither of you need my

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

2021-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
On 5/6/21 3:02 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > I know I run the risk of responses like "it's Pollyanna, oh sorry I > mean Pieter, again", but I'll take the risk and share the link with > the speculation about technological progress with mRNA vaccines that > will end pandemics like covid. >

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

2021-05-07 Thread Steve Smith
I have a friend who did a long stint in Ghana with the Peace Corps and contracted Malaria during that time and was quite consumed by it by the time he chose to return to the states.   He reported (when Hydroxychloroquine came up as a possible remedy for COVID) that he went through a number of high

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

2021-05-07 Thread Steve Smith
I find "wokeism" or "wokeness" or "woke" to be a caricature of something important, but perhaps a little intractable, for me at least.   I have doubled down on paying attention to the BLM activities and probably watched every minute of the Chauvin trial, trying to grasp what the real and deeper

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-05 Thread Steve Smith
> Agreed! One can have meaningless sex, but who wants to? Is that anything like gratuitous amounts of torque in your BMW? My Volt has silly amounts of torque, especially off the line and it is modulated to not allow tire slippage, but in spite of having a slightly difficult highway-entry I

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
I also consumed DA on tape/CD and appreciated the reader as well, but a decade after it was written.   I read it (on paper) when it came out, mostly following up his Snow Crash which I did not discover until just as Diamond Age came out.   I was previously introduced to him via his eco-thriller

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
> I was following a car that had a bumper sticker that said, "Eat the Rich". I do understand that some of them are well marbled. - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
On 5/4/21 4:11 PM, jon zingale wrote: > Whether de-objectification, projection pursuit, scaffold-hopping > , > or asignifying rupture, I am all for germs guiding what follows. Let > the capitalists see nails, for who here

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

2021-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
e I'll just leap off a mogul and evaporate in the sunlight mid-air (Kurzweil's Singularity)? - Steve On 5/4/21 12:52 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Reduction. All things in moderation, including moderation. Reduction is a > triumph, if it captures what you're looking for. And fiat currency has done &g

Re: [FRIAM] ruined my friday afternoon

2021-04-30 Thread Steve Smith
On 4/30/21 4:36 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/30/colorado-police-loveland-officers-resign > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmtxTWTTdC4 > > We met a guy the other day who countered our assertion that jury duty is a > civil duty with "You don't want me on your

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